Afternoon session featuring John Burke-Monerville's emotional testimony about his brother Trevor Monerville's death in police custody, the devastating impact on the family, police surveillance of the campaign, and systemic racism.
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00:20:46 Mr. Burke Monville, welcome back. Thank you, sir. Um, just before we broke for lunch, I was asking you about, uh, Trevor's condition after surgery, uh, and how much he was able to communicate and and and whether he said anything to you. And I just want to take you, please, to page six of your witness statement.
00:21:08 And I just looking just above center of the page, it says, "The first time I spoke to Trevor after the operation was on Friday the 9th of January. He could say very little." Uh, but he
00:21:22 He could say very little." Uh, but he did tell me that he'd been assaulted by the by police officers. Was that your recollection of what Trevor was able to say? Yes.
00:21:30 Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That can come down.
00:21:33 down. Now, you just told me um before the break that Trevor was eventually uh discharged to home. Um
00:21:47 Um is it right he ended up back in hospital at some stage?
00:21:54 He did, but I cannot remember exactly when.
00:21:55 when. No,
00:21:56 No, but he did. All right. I think you explain in your uh statement. This is at page pages 8 to nine uh paragraph 1.19 that he was readmitted this time to
00:22:08 that he was readmitted this time to King's College Hospital on the 22nd of January. Uh sorry, readmitted yes on the 22nd and discharged after 5 days to the
00:22:22 22nd and discharged after 5 days to the to the 26th 27th of January, forgive me. Um
00:22:24 Um but you tell us you you can't quite remember why he why he ended up back in hospital. No, I haven't seen that. No, don't don't worry about it.
00:22:38 Can I ask you a little bit of what Trevor was like just after this incident and once he was back at home? All right. Well, Trevor
00:22:51 Well, Trevor had this craving for cigarettes. Yep.
00:22:53 Yep. For a bear, but mostly cigarettes. He
00:23:03 He did not be able to talk properly. He wasn't be able to talk properly.
00:23:11 He wasn't even interested in uh going to the L.
00:23:15 the L. All these things I had to teach him to do them again. Especially having to nail the windows so he couldn't find a way out of the house.
00:23:27 house. He wasn't happy with me for all these things.
00:23:31 things. Was he able to take care of himself? Not at all. Feeding him was like a baby. Feeding a baby.
00:23:41 baby. So he had to be helped uh toileting everything. Helped with food and drink. How was his walking? Ah, he could walk but uh on a side with his head bent on a side. See? Were
00:24:05 the changes um to Trevor temporary changes or permanent changes? Well, it lasted a while. Lasted a while. You see at times like that when you are upset looking at someone
00:24:20 upset looking at someone that you cannot place together why he's like that
00:24:28 like that and knowing that he's like that and you cannot get the reason why it builds up anger in you
00:24:38 in you at that time I was not happy with myself nor was I happy with Trevor himself the way he was behaving. Yes. And it took me some time away from my business
00:24:49 business plus my own immediate enjoyment of life. You ran a shop. I had to be in with him every day. You ran a shop at the time. Is that right?
00:24:54 right? Yes, I did. Yeah. In in the local area in Hackne, Newington area in Hackne. Yeah.
00:24:59 Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:11 By the time Trevor was home, uh, was he able to recall how he got his head injury?
00:25:17 injury? When Trevor began when he began to feel a little bit relaxed. His questions to me was, "Why did they arrest him? Why did they beat him up? Why did they assault him?"
00:25:32 Why did they assault him?" And I put that question to one of the doctors
00:25:33 doctors who told me eventually Trevor will remember everything that happened to him,
00:25:39 him, but it never happened.
00:25:52 What do you think happened to Trevor in the early hours of New Year's Day? I think uh that's my personal feeling that Trevor was uh waiting for my sisters outside.
00:26:06 Someone must have approached him and he was rude to them. He was a very strong boy. And with that I'm not calling anybody's name.
00:26:17 name. with that
00:26:23 with that he must have said something out of place and he was arrested. I do not know who arrest him. I asked for the arresting officers detail
00:26:35 detail but nobody gave me anything. But that is what I think happened and he was
00:26:41 was out of order with them and anything could have happened.
00:26:52 and anything could have happened. But my conclusion of all that came to a final belief when Trevor asked me previously to do to that why did they arrest him
00:27:04 arrest him you know so that was when I concluded myself that uh he must be standing outside someone walk up to him and ask him questions
00:27:18 up to him and ask him questions and knowing Trevor he did not like to take nonsense from anybody and that uh happened. Now, I think you explain in your witness statement uh if it assists you at paragraph 1.14 at page six that you
00:27:35 paragraph 1.14 at page six that you continue to try and find out what had happened to Trevor. And it's right that you instructed solicitors. Is that correct? I did.
00:27:49 I did. And they assisted you in liazing with the authorities. Is that right? I did. Yes.
00:28:01 And you found some things out at that stage. Is that right? Yes, we did. Now, I think the conclusions you came to uh was that uh
00:28:14 uh was that uh you didn't really know where he'd been between the early hours um of the 1st of January
00:28:21 January uh and about uh 20 to 11 at night, but you've there was a record that he'd been arrested at 20 to 11 at night as
00:28:33 been arrested at 20 to 11 at night as you told us earlier today in somebody's having been found in somebody's car. Is that right? Yes.
00:28:38 Yes. Yeah. And you explained to us that by the time Trevor was found, the car car was covered uh uh and that he was
00:28:50 was covered uh uh and that he was unconscious and injured. Is that right? Yes, sir.
00:28:59 Yes, sir. He uh arrived at Stoke Newington Police Station at about 10 to 11, I think you explain.
00:29:01 explain. Well, I I don't know if this time is accurate, you know. I'm not sure about that
00:29:05 that because nobody ever
00:29:13 ever opened up to what happened to Trevor that particular evening. You had access though, you told us earlier, to the custody record. You do you remember telling us? Yes. But I I I truly did not take that as gospel. Yeah.
00:29:24 Yeah. Um what you did take from the custody record was uh that he was recorded as almost continuously sleeping,
00:29:38 almost continuously sleeping, incapable of being aroused and refusing food. Do do you remember that? Yes.
00:29:40 Yes. And that also that he wasn't provided with any legal representation. Do you remember that? Not at all. No. Uh you also
00:29:54 Uh you also uh discovered uh that in the early hours uh of being in police custody, so the early hours of the next day, the 2nd of January, the police decided to remove and retain Trevor's clothing. Is that right?
00:30:05 right? Yes.
00:30:07 Yes. You also discovered a little bit about Trevor's medical treatment whilst in police custody. We did. uh seen by police medics, I think three different medics
00:30:22 think three different medics uh on five separate occasions. Is that correct?
00:30:23 correct? Yes, sir.
00:30:32 Yes, sir. Uh he was um unable to eat or provide any personal details due to his condition. Is that right? That is right, sir. Whilst in police custody, and we've touched on this a little earlier, he was taken to hospital on two occasions. Is that right?
00:30:43 that right? Yes.
00:30:45 Yes. Uh on one of those occasions uh this was the 2nd of January uh he was taken to the accident and emergency department uh and the doctor advised he
00:31:00 department uh and the doctor advised he just needed to to sleep off whatever it is that was going on with him. Is that right?
00:31:02 right? Yes, sir. Very annoying. You told us that uh already, but you you found out formally that he'd been
00:31:16 found out formally that he'd been charged with criminal damage, I think, on the evening of the 2nd of January. Yeah, that was um so that's a Friday. Friday in the vehicle. Yes. Uh and that uh his fingerprints had to
00:31:33 Uh and that uh his fingerprints had to be taken by force by the police. Is that right? Well, the custody record said that six of them, six police officers had to restrain him
00:31:45 had to restrain him so that they could take his fingerprint. Yes. I think the record you saw uh showed it involved four constables, a detective constable and an inspector. Yes.
00:31:56 Yes. All involved in this process. Yes.
00:31:59 Yes. Trevor having been asleep or unconscious beforehand. Is that right? Well, that was what uh I was told. That's what was recorded. Yeah.
00:32:09 Yeah. Um
00:32:14 your investigations uh found records that there was only a single entry in relation to any injury to Trevor
00:32:24 to Trevor uh which was dated the 2nd of January uh and
00:32:30 uh and said that he had a discarded left eyelid. Do you remember that? Yes.
00:32:30 Yes. Yeah.
00:32:32 Yeah. And then within 2 hours of the fingerprints being taken and Trevor being found fit to deta fit to be detained,
00:32:46 detained, he was again admitted to hospital. We touched on that a little earlier. Yes. Uh
00:32:52 Yes. Uh yes. Soon after he was forcibly taken fingerprint, he was rushed back to hospital again. Yes. and then later returned back to police custody and then some hours later saw another
00:33:06 and then some hours later saw another police doctor who uh deemed him fit to be detained. Is that right? And and you've told us um you've told us um about what happened next being taken to court on the Saturday
00:33:18 to court on the Saturday and remanded into custody on the Saturday.
00:33:20 Saturday. Yes,
00:33:26 Yes, I do apologize for being forward where all this is concerned. No,
00:33:27 No, I was way ahead of you then. Not at all. Not at all. No apology necessary, Mr. B. Monival. This is your evidence.
00:33:35 evidence. Now,
00:33:43 Now, um, I want to ask you a little bit about what you were told about what happened to Trevor by the police and what you found out about what happened to Trevor whilst he was in police custody. All right.
00:33:54 right. And you told us um earlier today that initially when you went to State Newington Police Station uh they said he wasn't there. Is that right?
00:34:05 right? Yes.
00:34:06 Yes. And did there did there come a point when the police accepted that he had been uh in custody at police uh Stoke Newington police station for various
00:34:21 Newington police station for various periods over over the course of the the 1st, 2nd, 3rd January before he was taken to court. They did admit it and I believe most of these uh admission came from v custody record. again.
00:34:34 Um, just for your assistance, um, I'm looking at paragraph 1.18 of your statement, page eight. Um, at one stage,
00:34:45 Um, at one stage, um, I think you explained that the police told you that Trevor's behavior and and his comeoma state was was
00:34:58 and and his comeoma state was was because he must have been using drink and drugs. Is that right? They did mention that, but I did not take that serious. You also uh explained that it was
00:35:15 You also uh explained that it was insinuated to you that he must have had some sort of pre-existing brain condition or brain tumor. That was a lie. Is that what was insinuated to you? Yes.
00:35:23 Yes. Can you remember? Can you remember what was said to you? I appreciate this a long time ago. I was asked if Trevor had any sickness at all. Right.
00:35:32 Right. Did he fall? Did he get heat on the head?
00:35:43 head? All this was makeup stories. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Trevor. He was out of it tonight enjoying himself with his aunties.
00:35:48 And I think you've just touched on it, but you explain in your witness statement that another suggestion that was made to you is that Trevor must have had some sort of fall or accident at some point before New Year's Eve. Is that right?
00:36:01 that right? That is quite right. And what I thought to a big lie.
00:36:13 What did the inconsistency in what you were being told about what happened to Trevor? What did that make you think? It made me believe that uh
00:36:29 It made me believe that uh Trevor had encounter with the police at the time
00:36:31 the time and they were lying about everything to us. And why did you think that they might have been lying to you?
00:36:51 Well, the thing is that uh that particular station has been a very notorious place for a long time. Yes.
00:36:53 Yes. There was always rumors going on about them.
00:36:56 them. And uh
00:37:01 And uh I as a father did not believe them at all,
00:37:03 all, you know. And my suspicion was that uh something was wrong and I wasn't being told it was the truth. I see.
00:37:12 I see. And when you say you thought something was wrong, what did you think had gone on that was wrong? I mentioned previously that Trevor was a no nonsense person.
00:37:23 no nonsense person. Yes.
00:37:25 Yes. And as I will try and repeat again that he must have come across someone that he disapprove of or he did not like what was being said to him or
00:37:44 he Trevor as I know was straight talking no nonsense young man and if something he does not approve of he will speak his mind. A and when you
00:37:59 he will speak his mind. A and when you say you think Trevor, my words not yours and forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but when you say you think Trevor may have had a disagreement with someone, are you talking about an ordinary member of the public or you talking about um somebody within the police?
00:38:10 somebody within the police? Someone mentioned some time ago after when we went wrong asking questions, young man on a bicycle said that he saw Trevor talking
00:38:31 Trevor talking to the old bill or the what? Well, a name was mentioned. It's not a very good name. All right. Name of a police officer. That was the name the person called the police.
00:38:37 police. I see. All right. So, a a derogatory term for a police officer. I see what you're getting at.
00:38:51 And that was when our belief that he was arrested by them or something went wrong intensified. I see.
00:38:58 I see. And I think as a result of what happened to Trevor, um legal action was taken uh on his behalf. Is that right? That is quite true. Uh an action was taken uh against the
00:39:12 Uh an action was taken uh against the city and Hackne area health authority. Is that right? Yes sir.
00:39:15 Yes sir. Uh the Metropolitan Police. Is that correct? Yes, sir. And the home office. Yes, sir.
00:39:27 I just want to ask you now about Trevor's treatment by the local police in the Stoke Newington hacked me area after all this had happened. All right. And if it assists you, um, I'm at paragraph 1.21,
00:39:38 paragraph 1.21, page nine of your witness statement. And, and as I've said to you before, Mr. Burton Monaval, this is your evidence. Uh, I'm going to do my best to summarize. We've got all the detail in your witness statement, but if any
00:39:52 your witness statement, but if any important detail is left out, please assist me. All right. Mhm.
00:39:53 Mhm. Now, I think you explained that Trevor was the subject of continuous stops by the police. Is that right?
00:40:14 Yes, sir. He was also arrested some five times in a period of about 23 months. Is that correct?
00:40:15 correct? It's quite true. Uh all of these arrests occurring after his discharge from hospital in the early part of 1987
00:40:26 early part of 1987 through to the end of 1988. Is that right? Over that sort of period. Yeah. Travis was still suffering the after effect of surgery that he had. Yes.
00:40:37 Yes. And at that time he still had the craving for drinks and cigarettes. and he had begun to get what we called epileptic fits.
00:40:48 epileptic fits. I see.
00:40:52 I see. The first time that happened, I was very shocked.
00:40:54 shocked. But that was not mentioned to us when they explained about he will remember what happened to him. Yeah.
00:41:04 Yeah. And you couldn't keep Trevor in then because he was quite capable of going out then.
00:41:10 out then. Yes.
00:41:15 Yes. So he was out here head there and everywhere possible and he used to constantly get stopped by police.
00:41:20 police. Yeah. And
00:41:24 Yeah. And I just want to examine with you some of some of these occasions. All right. Because I think you explained that in November 1987 he was arrested and
00:41:35 November 1987 he was arrested and charged with some 11 offenses. Is that correct?
00:41:36 correct? Very true. Uh and
00:41:51 Very true. Uh and uh all of those offenses were either not pursued or dismissed at court or he was the subject of not guilty verdicts at court. Is that right? Well, we got used to it. You know, it used to happen so often that uh we had this thing saying that don't worry, come back home
00:42:03 back home because it got so familiar then. Uh you also explained that in April 1988 he was detained for allegedly breaching uh bail conditions.
00:42:15 uh bail conditions. That's true. Uh that wasn't proceeded with and uh he was the subject of an apology from the police for wrongful arrest. Is that right?
00:42:22 right? That is true. Yes. In September 1988, he was arrested and
00:42:33 In September 1988, he was arrested and charged with um unlawful uh wounding and committing grievous bodily harm. Uh charges that were ultimately dismissed. Is that right? True. That was uh himself,
00:42:46 himself, his brother, and a friend. I see.
00:42:48 I see. And uh
00:42:54 And uh at Snbrook Crown Court, I believe. I see.
00:42:55 I see. and all the charges was uh they were found not guilty. The charges was dropped. Yeah.
00:43:04 Yeah. In September 1988, you describe a further arrest with the charges against Trevor being dropped the following day. Yes.
00:43:14 Yes. Remember that
00:43:21 it was constant harassment. Yeah.
00:43:22 Yeah. May I say something? Yes, absolutely. I don't know if you've got to this yet, but I do not want to forget it. Yes.
00:43:30 Yes. It is hard to believe that police would arrest Trevor, keep him in the cell for a while, give him drinks, and charge him with driving while drunk. Yeah.
00:43:42 Yeah. These sort of things was very painful because the boy at this time after his operation, he wasn't functioning properly then.
00:44:01 I is there any reason that you think Trevor was treated in this way?
00:44:07 this way? I believe the prognosis of the doctor, they were frightened of it. Well, the doctor couldn't give a time when but they were sure that Trevor will get his old memory back and he will be able to say everything that happened to him.
00:44:22 that happened to him. And is there any reason that you think Trevor uh following his injury was the subject of a lot of attention from the police?
00:44:34 from the police? Well, whoever it is that uh caused Trevor's injuries was pretty worried.
00:44:43 I think you say in your witness statement
00:44:45 statement that
00:44:51 that you thought racism was at play. Uh you were concerned uh that there or you thought the police may be concerned that Trevor may make an accusation of assault against them and
00:45:03 accusation of assault against them and concerned that he may regain his memory. Do you remember having those beliefs? Yes, that's what I meant by what I've just said to you. And they used to call him a lot of dirty names. They used to call him a lot of dirty names. Did you say
00:45:22 names. Did you say at that particular time he started to be able to answer back? Yeah.
00:45:23 Yeah. No.
00:45:26 No. In terms of his physical condition, uh what was Trevor like whilst all of this trouble with the police was going on?
00:45:37 on? He wasn't happy that he was having this type of treatment.
00:45:50 treatment. Plus, he used to his epilepsy got slightly worse then. Yeah.
00:45:55 Yeah. And what happened to him more frequently?
00:46:00 So, we were very worried about the treatment that was being given to him.
00:46:13 Uh, and as a result of um what was going on, forgive me, whilst all of this was going on,
00:46:17 going on, how was Trevor's personality? How was his behavior?
00:46:24 His behavior was worrying to us. We were very worried and concerned about the things that was happening to him. What
00:46:33 What What worried you, Mr. about Mona? Well, all this trouble that Trevor was going through with the police picking him up and
00:46:47 him up and they used to supply him with things that will get him intoxicatedly. I see.
00:46:48 I see. And he would uh and he wouldn't stop driving. That was one thing. I cannot hide it, you know.
00:47:02 hide it, you know. He wouldn't stop driving. He's always driving around. He eventually bought himself of ego, right? No,
00:47:11 as a result of uh what was happening to Trevor, I think you took the decision that might he might be better off living somewhere else at least for for the short term. Is that right?
00:47:24 short term. Is that right? It used to take so much of my time. Yeah.
00:47:24 Yeah. Running around because of Trevor. So I had to put together and send him away.
00:47:32 away. Yeah. send him back home. At the time, he knew no one there. Absolutely no one. He was born here.
00:47:43 Absolutely no one. He was born here. But I had to let them know that I was sending him home for relief
00:47:56 sending him home for relief from the problem that he's getting here. And I sent him home. I cannot remember exactly how long he spent there, but that was his happiest time.
00:48:00 time. And by home, do you mean St. Lucia? Yes.
00:48:01 Yes. And was that around back end of 1989, beginning of 1990? Was it around that time? I think
00:48:15 time? I think uh 89 could be what it say 88. It's been a long time. It doesn't matter, Mr. B. Mville, but um they spend a little while down there. Yeah. Uh and does it follow from what
00:48:30 Yeah. Uh and does it follow from what you've just said? There came a time when Trevor came back home to London. Yeah, he's he enjoy himself so much that he exhausted the people, right?
00:48:42 right? So they decided he must come back home. He was all right then. Yeah.
00:48:45 Yeah. And as soon as he got back here, it all started again. Not as frequently as before. Yes.
00:48:52 Yes. But it resumed itself just as ugly as before. I want to ask you now uh about the
00:49:08 I want to ask you now uh about the campaign that was set up in an effort to secure justice for Trevor. All right. Yeah.
00:49:14 Yeah. Uh and it's right uh that this was set up pretty quickly or incepted pretty quickly in around January 1987. So when Trevor first got got hurt. Is that correct?
00:49:29 correct? Yes, we did uh set up a campaign. Yes. And
00:49:29 And the campaign uh went through various names, but I think it eventually became known as the Trevor Monaval Defense Campaign. Is that right? That's right, sir.
00:49:42 That's right, sir. And you ran this campaign or the family ran this campaign alongside the um legal action that uh you had
00:49:58 the um legal action that uh you had taken on Trevor's behalf. Is that right? Yeah, we did. Uh we had one group that approached us before. Yes.
00:50:03 Yes. And then we found out that it was not a suitable
00:50:04 suitable group because they were very very oneminded activists
00:50:16 very very oneminded activists and then we had to switch to someone else who came forward to help and that was proper. Yeah. Can you remember which was the group that you rejected? Can you remember the name of that group? Uh they were called the
00:50:30 Uh they were called the workers of against racism. All right. And and their motto was a war. Yes.
00:50:35 Yes. Yeah.
00:50:36 Yeah. And can you remember which which group or the name of the group uh you thought you could work alongside? The next one of those. Yes.
00:50:47 Yes. Uh
00:50:59 uh HCDA. And then uh the Trevor Monfield campaign. HC did you say HCDA? Yeah.
00:51:01 Yeah. So Hackne Community Defense Association. Yeah.
00:51:02 Yeah. Thank you. And I think by this time as well um a complaint against the police had been made as a result of Trevor's Yes, we did. situation. Yeah.
00:51:26 Um, now you very helpfully set out what the aims of the campaign uh were in your witness statement. This is at pages 11 to 12 at paragraph 1.26.
00:51:39 A and is it right that you wanted to learn the truth about what happened to Trevor? That was our intention. That you wanted to find out how he got his injuries. Yes.
00:51:51 Yes. You wanted to find out why he didn't uh receive proper medical assistance. Is that right? Yes.
00:51:59 Yes. You wanted to find out uh why he got no legal assistance whilst in custody. Yes.
00:52:02 Yes. And you wanted to get to the bottom as to whether the police were covering anything up about Trevor's time in their custody. Is that right? Yes. And that was one thing we were quite sure about.
00:52:17 quite sure about. There was also a wider aim and that was to expose racist policing in Stoke, Newington and Hackne. Is that correct? Uh yes. So
00:52:28 Uh yes. So and to provide support to to other campaigns
00:52:37 campaigns uh relating to black youth who had been either hurt or or killed whilst in police custody. Is that right? Yes, sir.
00:52:52 And it's right that two of your sisters in particular, your sister Annette and your sister Cassie were significantly involved in the campaign. Is that correct?
00:53:00 correct? Yes. Even more than myself, you know, cuz I had a business to run and they as family was helping more than I was helping at the time.
00:53:14 the time. Now, it's right, Mr. Burke Monaval, that you you've quite recently lost your sister, Annette. Is that correct? I did. Yes. All right. Well, on behalf of the inquiry, you have our condolences that there are going to there may be some occasions over the course of the next
00:53:25 occasions over the course of the next hour or so we may have to touch on on what Annette was doing. All right. Thank you very much, sir. That is very refreshing. Now, I think um you explain in your witness statement uh that not long after
00:53:39 witness statement uh that not long after the campaign was set up, it was assisted by somebody called Dr. Graeme Smith, who
00:53:53 by somebody called Dr. Graeme Smith, who was a prominent civil rights activist in your in your area. Is that correct? Well, I wouldn't say he was a civil activist. All right. How would you describe? Very nice person. I see. All right. Who wanted to help those are suffering. Thank you.
00:54:04 Thank you. Uh, and I'm just going to um, uh, there's lots of detail about this in your witness statement, but I just want to get a flavor of the sort of wider
00:54:18 to get a flavor of the sort of wider support that the or wider interest that the campaign attracted. All right. Yeah.
00:54:24 Yeah. Um, I I think you had um interest from a member of parliament for Hackne South and Shortordic, Brian Sedmore. Is that right?
00:54:30 right? Nice chap. And Mr. SGmore uh wrote uh on uh your behalf to the uh Metropolitan Police Service then
00:54:44 Metropolitan Police Service then commissioner Sir Kenneth Newman and to the home secretary of the time who I think was Douglas Herd. Is that right? Yes. Yes. I had a very strange letter from him.
00:54:55 from him. A strange letter from Douglas Herd. Uh, Douglas had paying me condolences for Trevor's death.
00:55:02 death. I see.
00:55:03 I see. While Trevor was still alive. So, he misunderstood what had happened to Trevor? Yes.
00:55:13 Did you ever bring that to anyone's attention at the time? Well, we all knew, but uh, like everything else that was at the back of my vehicle, let it disappear with what I had at the back of the vehicle.
00:55:27 back of the vehicle. And it wasn't just myself. My sisters did not disappear at all.
00:55:43 Um I think uh Mr. SGmore also addressed a large public meeting um regarding the issue at Hackne Town Hall in February 1987. Is that right? Yes sir.
00:55:44 Yes sir. You were also uh assisted by somebody
00:55:55 You were also uh assisted by somebody called Tommy Shepard who was the elected member of uh Hackne Hackne London Bar Council. Is that right? Very true. Uh and Mr. Shepherd I think was chair of the council of uh the police committee at the time. Is that correct? Yes.
00:56:05 Yes. Uh and you explain in your witness statement uh that Mr. Shepherd spoke to the press and publicly questioned the behavior and accountability
00:56:17 behavior and accountability uh of the local police. Is that right? Yes, sir.
00:56:28 Dian Abbott, Paul Bane, Bernie Grant all lent their support to the campaign. Is that right? Yes, sir. Uh, and Ken Livingston raised a question in Parliament in April 1988
00:56:41 a question in Parliament in April 1988 regarding a possible inquiry as to what had occurred to to Trevor. Is that correct?
00:56:41 correct? Yes, sir.
00:56:55 Now, I want to ask you a little bit about the activities of the campaign and and you set these out in uh your witness statement at paragraph 1.27, page 12. I'm just going to summarize
00:57:11 page 12. I'm just going to summarize them again. Please add any detail if if I'm missing anything. Uh the campaign um made a number of public appeals I in an effort to try and get to the truth of what happened to Trevor uh on
00:57:26 truth of what happened to Trevor uh on the 1st of January 1987. Is that right? Yes, sir.
00:57:29 Yes, sir. You wanted to know what happened to him before he was in police custody and you wanted to know what happened to him after he'd ended up in police custody. Is that right? We all did. Family did. I did. Everyone
00:57:50 We all did. Family did. I did. Everyone who was concerned about Trevor wanted to know. We try and put our mind at ease. But
00:57:58 But we were only told lies. And I think one particular group of um people that you were interested in hearing from was anybody else who might have been in custody at St Newington Police Station at around the same time that Trevor was in case they had any information that
00:58:11 in case they had any information that may assist you. Is that right? Yeah, we made uh
00:58:13 made uh that
00:58:19 that pretty public to find out and someone did mention that uh up to now I do not know who it was. Yes.
00:58:29 Yes. But someone did come forward and mention that he saw Trevor in police custody on the night that we were asking where he is.
00:58:37 he is. Yes.
00:58:42 Yes. or what had happened to him and he was perfectly okay. And whilst you're on the subject, you found out eventually, didn't you, that the whole time you were
00:58:59 that the whole time you were asking at Stoke Newington Police Station um
00:59:08 um where Trevor was. He was either in their custody or had been taken by them to hospital. Is that right? Well, he was in their custody. Yeah. And then everything else followed. And so does it follow you were
00:59:23 And so does it follow you were sat in Stoke Newington Police Station as you told us earlier filling out a missing person's form whilst he may well have been in the same building.
00:59:29 building. He was in the building. Yeah. At that time
00:59:39 uh the campaign uh organized uh demonstrations uh outside local police stations. Is that right? Yes. Hackne police station,
00:59:50 Yes. Hackne police station, Dston police station and Stoke Newington. Were they peaceful demonstrations? Always has been. Did the campaign go through any lengths, go to any lengths to make sure that there were peaceful demonstrations?
01:00:06 peaceful demonstrations? We did. No one can ever say that uh we caused any disturbance at all. And what sort of things would you do to ensure that there was no trouble? We had members of family, friends
01:00:19 We had members of family, friends and relatives making sure there was any trouble. The only thing we were disturbed about because every time we was demonstrating somewhere we could look up and see the comrades recording us.
01:00:30 recording us. See no
01:00:45 did the campaign at Mr. Burke von Monival ever did it ever promote disorderly or violent protest? No sir,
01:00:47 No sir, not that I ever know about. Did it ever involve itself? Did it ever involve itself in disorderly or violent protest?
01:01:06 protest? Well, we have a we were always afraid of that. So we make sure that it didn't happen because we realized that if anything like this happened, it would give the police an authority or an excuse
01:01:22 an excuse to behave badly with us because of what they had in mind for us. Another
01:01:24 Another activity that the campaign involved itself in were uh was a poster campaign. Is that right? Yes.
01:01:32 Yes. And I think you've provided some examples. Uh and I'm just going to look at a couple of those with you now. Uh could we please uh have up UCPI 37096
01:01:49 could we please uh have up UCPI 37096 which is a A2 of the hard copy bundle 3 uh7096.
01:02:03 Thank you. Mr. Bonavville, do you recognize that as one of the documents that you've you've provided to the inquiry? Yes, I do. And that's uh a leaflet that outlines
01:02:14 outlines uh what happened to Trevor and gives that chronology of of arrests that you
01:02:25 that chronology of of arrests that you gave evidence about a little earlier uh today. Is that correct? Yes, sir.
01:02:28 Yes, sir. We can see you're quoted at the bottom there as saying, "My son was naked and
01:02:39 there as saying, "My son was naked and unconscious. Even the soles of his feet had been beaten." Did do you see that quote from from you? Yes, sir.
01:02:47 Yes, sir. And where was where was Trevor when you saw him naked and unconscious? Can you remember?
01:02:48 remember? Prison hospital cell when he was in the prison hospital wing. All right. Uh I just want to look at another
01:03:01 Uh I just want to look at another example uh please. And this is three UCPI 37099. That is 37099.
01:03:18 And this is a leaflet uh seeking support, I think, uh to uh help Trevor uh go to St. Lucia. Is that right? Yes, sir.
01:03:28 Yes, sir. And we can see a a pretty graphic photograph there of of Trevor. Where was that taken? We did break the law there cuz we
01:03:43 We did break the law there cuz we sneaked into the hospital with a camera and took that picture. I see. Well, I'm not I'm not sure it is a criminal offense to take photographs. They said no pictures. I see. All right. Well, you may have broken the rules, but I'm not sure you've broken the law, Mr. Burton
01:03:55 you've broken the law, Mr. Burton Monaval, so I wouldn't lose any sleep. I've always been conscious of conscious of the law. Thank you. So that was taken was that taken before or after his surgery? Can you remember? After his surgery.
01:04:06 After his surgery. So at the Msley. Yes.
01:04:08 Yes. Okay.
01:04:13 Thank you. That that can come down please.
01:04:17 please. All these years I thought I was break that we broke the law.
01:04:32 Now, you you you told us a little a moment ago that the police uh you found out that the um Trevor had been in Stoke Newington Police Station or in the custody of Stoke Newington police
01:04:43 Stoke Newington police for all the time and you thought he might be elsewhere. Did the police eventually accept that they failed to inform you uh that Trevor was in their custody? wasn't in their
01:04:55 was in their custody? wasn't in their custody, forgive me, when when in fact he was.
01:05:02 he was. Well, the the gentleman, the officer that was in charge of the station at the time did give a public apology. He apologized for not telling us, well,
01:05:18 He apologized for not telling us, well, telling me and the rest of my family and the crowd that was supporting us at the time that Trevor was in their custody. So, he's sorry for not letting us know. Did the police ever provide a
01:05:33 Did the police ever provide a satisfactory explanation as to how Trevor sustained his injuries? No, sir.
01:05:38 No, sir. But they did say it was uh it was a fall.
01:05:41 fall. They said it was a fall. He fall down. They would never tell us the truth. We never expected the truth from them neither.
01:05:58 Now, you explain in your uh witness statement that and I think I'm looking at paragraph 1.34 at page 15 here. Uh you explained that it was suggested by a chief
01:06:11 that it was suggested by a chief superintendent John Peek of Snoke Stoke Newington police station that the campaign the Trevor Monaval defense campaign was being manipulated by political agitators.
01:06:26 political agitators. Do you remember that statement being made?
01:06:26 made? Yes.
01:06:27 Yes. Yeah. And I think you go on to explain in your witness statement that that was one of a number of public comments made by the police along the same lines that the campaign was
01:06:39 the campaign was or that other polit political groups were trying to hijack or use the the campaign. Do you remember that? I do.
01:06:49 I do. Was your campaign ever influenced by other political groups or political groups I should say? Well, I recalled u
01:07:03 Well, I recalled u when the incident first happened. Yes.
01:07:05 Yes. Short while afterwards,
01:07:17 Short while afterwards, there was a gentleman walk into my shop and asked me if what he heard is correct.
01:07:19 correct. I said yes. He told me that he was very dissatisfied with his people that such a thing is happening in our
01:07:35 happening in our community and he did not know about it. And uh he began to do something in response to find out what happened to Trevor.
01:07:45 Trevor. See,
01:07:49 See, and that was the gentleman from the group called war. I see. I later learned that his name was not the name that he gave to me. I see.
01:08:00 I see. And as soon as we found out what he was all about, we got rid of him.
01:08:12 Did the campaign ever allow itself to be controlled or influenced or or guided or directed by any outside group? That never happened.
01:08:25 That never happened. That never happened at all. Why do you think the police were suggesting that that was something that did happen?
01:08:36 did happen? I think the name of a gentleman aroused them, but that didn't happen. His reputation must have aroused them cuz we didn't know who he was at the time,
01:08:47 time, but that never happened at all. We did not give him the opportunity to behave at all.
01:08:52 at all. Yeah.
01:08:56 And I don't think he ever did neither.
01:09:04 Now, you explain in your witness statement that the Trevor Monaval defense campaign did in fact receive support from from other groups. Yes.
01:09:12 Yes. Uh for example, the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do do you remember that group?
01:09:21 Yes. Yes.
01:09:24 Yes. Newer Monitoring Project? Yes.
01:09:25 Yes. Hackne Community Defense Association, who I think you've already mentioned. Yes.
01:09:40 What was the nature of the interaction between your campaign a and those groups that were lending support or or showing an interest in what you were doing? Well, I suppose they wanted to try and manipulate us, but it's only one of those groups after the initial war
01:09:56 those groups after the initial war that tried to do that and they had to take a walk and I see
01:10:12 now um I think it's right and you explain in your witness statement that um paragraph 1.44 which is at page 19 um that
01:10:19 um that 19 or
01:10:20 19 or page 19 please. Yes. I think it's right that the Hackne Community Defense Association uh eventually
01:10:39 eventually with your consent I think took over uh running the Trevor Molivville Defense Campaign sometime in 1988. Is that right?
01:10:40 right? That did happen. Yeah. Then my sister Annette became involved with the young man who was guiding us then.
01:10:49 then. I see.
01:10:56 I see. When I say involved, she began to get more interest in the campaign. I see.
01:10:57 I see. Yeah.
01:11:06 Whilst the Trevor Monville defense campaign was ongoing, whilst it was active,
01:11:09 active, how was your family treated by the police?
01:11:15 That's a very so part. Yes.
01:11:16 Yes. Cuz my uh
01:11:19 Cuz my uh my family was treated very badly. Predominantly my mother and father. Something happened to your mother and father, didn't it? Yes. Uh
01:11:29 Yes. Uh tell us what happened. I believe it had to do with uh
01:11:40 I believe it had to do with uh a driving incident. They said it was a driving incident that my father was involved in at Clapton Pawn. My father got home.
01:11:52 There was nothing wrong. He went to bed. And later that day, police arrive at the door. They say they come to arrest him for drink driving. Yeah.
01:12:04 Yeah. My mother refused because my father had done anything. He had no recollection of it and up to this day I cannot remember anything happening about it.
01:12:19 anything happening about it. But they decide to arrest him. My mother object as most
01:12:24 as most of our loved ones do. I don't want to mention any. She did object and uh she asked to let him have his tablets before they take him away. Yeah.
01:12:37 Yeah. She went inside to bring the tablets and water
01:12:45 and the police officer accused her of uh assaulting her and my mother was treated very badly. Was your mother arrested?
01:12:57 Was your mother arrested? Yes. Was she charged with any offense? Not at all. No. And your recollection was that nothing came of the accusations that were being made against your father. Is that right? Very true, sir.
01:13:16 Very true, sir. All right. And how old were your parents uh when when then this happened? At that time, my father was 73. Yes.
01:13:22 Yes. My mother was maybe about 60.
01:13:25 60. Seven.
01:13:27 Seven. Yeah, about 67. All right. If it assists you, I'm looking at paragraph. My mother was Sorry, sir. My father was 79. Yes.
01:13:39 Yes. And my mother was 73. Thank you, Mr. Bmore. Yeah.
01:13:44 Yeah. I am not very clever with dates of birth and age and all that.
01:13:51 all that. Not to worry. I'm just happy about I'm still wrong at my old age.
01:14:03 Now, I think there came a time um Mr. um Burke Monl uh when the campaign was uh wound down. Is that right? It did because uh
01:14:17 It did because uh it lost momentum when Trevor was away. Yeah.
01:14:19 Yeah. And then uh when he did come back and all the things that start happening to him again,
01:14:32 it was some decision was made at some time not to carry on and the person who was running the campaign with my sister at that time was finding himself
01:14:45 finding himself the attention of the police was too much for him and all. I see. So he was beaten up at a certain time.
01:14:52 time. And don't worry too much if you can't remember, but c can can you recollect roughly
01:15:00 roughly when the campaign was wound down? What what year this happened? It was slowly it slowly run down. I I do not remember again. You got me at year end. Don't worry.
01:15:15 Now, Trevor was uh as we touched on at the beginning of your evidence, Trevor was killed on the 18th of March, 1994. Is that right?
01:15:27 that right? Yes, sir.
01:15:34 Yes, sir. Before he passed away, did Trevor ever regain his memory of what happened to him on New Year's Day 1987?
01:15:48 It's hard to understand that but uh Trevor I wouldn't say he had regain his memory
01:15:51 memory but there are one or two things Trevor used to say that make us believe at the time that something will come of it but it never happened. What did he say?
01:16:05 What did he say? He would ask what happened to him on that night. And if you say that and that and this, he would say, "No, it wasn't this." He's sure something else happened to him. I see.
01:16:15 I see. No.
01:16:26 Following Trevor's death, was there any change in the relationship between your family and the police?
01:16:33 Well, we didn't see we didn't get much attention from them. See, because I believe that what they were worrying about was gone and they did nothing to
01:16:45 and they did nothing to find out what happened to him.
01:16:52 that I can say openly because they they did nothing at all.
01:17:00 For your assistance, Mr. Burton Monaval, um I'm at page 21 of your witness statement, paragraphs 1.49 and 1.50, 50
01:17:11 statement, paragraphs 1.49 and 1.50, 50 where you explained that an inquest into Trevor's death uh was opened
01:17:23 and that the inquest was concluded uh on the 13th of March 1996.
01:17:31 Yes. you explain uh that you weren't your family wasn't notified uh by the uh police
01:17:46 uh by the uh police uh of the date of the inquest. Is that right? That is quite true. I I found that uh quite bizarre really and well they knew where I was. Yeah.
01:17:59 Yeah. They knew everything about uh the family.
01:18:03 family. And I recall a program called No Hiding Place.
01:18:07 Place. It's quite some time ago. I was a young young man then. And the police always got their man no matter how far he hide, you know.
01:18:23 you know. Uh because no contact was was made with you. Did you explain that you didn't attend the inquest? Is that right? I did not know about it. They never notified us about it. Did Did anyone from your family attend? No.
01:18:30 No. No.
01:18:34 No. We did not know at all, but they said they couldn't find me. Had you moved home at any point?
01:18:46 Well, they found me when Trevor was killed,
01:18:55 killed, you know, but when he when they had the inquest
01:19:00 inquest Yes. They said they couldn't find me. Were you still at the same address between
01:19:03 between Well, I was in London. Yeah.
01:19:12 Yeah. And I was uh with my family. I had just parted from my first wife. Yes.
01:19:14 Yes. And uh my mother knew where I was, my father, my family, everyone knew where I was right here in England. And did you still have your shop?
01:19:32 Yes. Was that still in the same location? [Music]
01:19:51 Just want to look at a an intelligence report now with you. Um Mr. Burton Monival. It's a document we may revisit a little later. Uh the number is uh MPS0245928
01:20:03 web. So that's 0245928
01:20:10 web and it's at D1 of the hard copy bundle.
01:20:24 I have not found that. All right. It's it'll come up on the screen in due course. All right. Hopefully we can um enlarge it. MPS
01:20:27 MPS I'm still pleasantly
01:20:35 if you look at the screen in front of you Mr. Bert Monival should come up at some point. All right. I am looking. Thank you. I haven't got it either if that assures you. All right. Do you see a document in front of you now?
01:20:44 now? Yes, I got it now. Thank you. Uh now we'll look at the uh detail of this um intelligence report a little later.
01:20:55 later. uh but we can see uh that the report itself is dated the 13th of
01:21:10 the report itself is dated the 13th of February 1996. So that's the bottom left corner of the document. Do do you see that?
01:21:12 that? Yes.
01:21:13 Yes. Uh and um
01:21:20 Edmonson DCI.
01:21:25 DCI. Yes. So that's the name of the detective chief inspector who signed off on the report.
01:21:27 report. And if we look at the very top where it says date and time, we can see the date and time.
01:21:33 and time. Saturday the 16th, Saturday the 16th of March, 1996. Yes, I can see that.
01:21:44 Yes, I can see that. Which is 3 days after uh the inquest was heard on the 13th of March. Yes.
01:21:46 Yes. and that this report uh concerned the Colin Roach Center uh which
01:21:55 uh which uh was associated or or or or what what the HCDA I think turned into eventually uh and the the report deals with a march
01:22:09 uh and the the report deals with a march and rally in memory of Trevor. Do do you see that under the heading nature of event?
01:22:11 event? Yes.
01:22:22 And so it seems from this report that in February 1996 um the police uh were interested or or monitoring um
01:22:31 um events
01:22:38 events uh that were related to Trevor. Yes.
01:22:40 Yes. and that they were reporting on an event that was going to occur some 3 days after the inquest was was due. Do you see that? I can
01:22:58 see that black.
01:23:02 black. How does it make you How did it make you feel to learn that the police in around February March 1996 still had
01:23:13 in around February March 1996 still had an eye on what your family was doing to commemorate Trevor, yet failed to notify your family uh that an inquest
01:23:24 an inquest was going to take place in relation to his murder.
01:23:30 Well,
01:23:38 I did not expect anything much more than that from them because uh the things that they do and the things that they inflict on people,
01:23:52 on my family,
01:24:03 and myself and friends and relations. I did not enjoy it at all. Yeah,
01:24:10 Yeah, that was two years after Trevor's death. Two years passed and they were still hounding us. It was not enjoyable. Sir
01:24:19 like to look. Forgive me. I interrupted you.
01:24:23 you. Well, it's left a very very very disturbing feelings in the mind.
01:24:35 How did you find out that the inquest had had occurred without you knowing about it?
01:24:46 That particular thing that uh about the inquest
01:24:52 inquest I was told uh I do not remember exactly when
01:24:58 when but it was an encounter with police or was it someone to do with my legal people that told me? I did not know. Just going to look at the um look at
01:25:10 Just going to look at the um look at some information you received about the explanation for you not being informed. All right. Um, can we look please at uh UCPI 37377?
01:25:27 3737. Don't worry, Mr. Bmon. It will come up on the screen. All right. Okay.
01:25:27 Okay. So, UCPI 37377.
01:25:35 Uh, and can um we look at page four, please.
01:25:43 Now, Mr. Bur Monville, this is a document that you've provided um to the inquiry that's authored by a detective superintendent Pete Wallace.
01:25:59 detective superintendent Pete Wallace. Can can you see that name at the bottom of uh left corner uh of the document? It's dated the 27th of October 2021.
01:26:07 So this is some many years after the um death, Trevor's death, and the conclusion of the inquest.
01:26:19 the inquest. Uh, and I think this document um
01:26:21 um relates to a series of questions that were posed to the police on your behalf or requests for information posed to the police on your behalf. Um, I in relation
01:26:33 Um, I in relation to Trevor, you know what? It made me feel uh quite bad
01:26:46 quite bad because uh
01:26:58 I was talking at lunchtime with uh my legal people about that, letting them know that when You are done with me and things have
01:27:10 You are done with me and things have quietened down a bit that I have to go and rest my head for three reasons. My son
01:27:12 My son Trevor,
01:27:21 Trevor, my son Joseph, and my son David. I have not left this country for the last 14 years.
01:27:23 years. And yet they couldn't find me.
01:27:30 Just one. The last time I was there was 2010.
01:27:42 I just want to look at um one of the questions posed in this document. Uh right at the bottom it says 17. An inquest into Trevor's death concluded on the 13th of March 1996. The family were not informed that the
01:27:56 The family were not informed that the inquest was taking place. They've asked if you're able to provide any information about why they were not informed.
01:28:01 informed. A and the answer says the original FLO, so family liaison officer, was apparently unable to contact Trevor's father prior to the inquest. Do you see that answer?
01:28:14 inquest. Do you see that answer? Yes. I was still in this country then. Still in the country? Still in Hackne? Yes.
01:28:21 Yes. Shop was still in the same place. I don't believe I had the shop. Oh, you're right. at that time, but I still lived in Hackne. And your family's activity
01:28:35 And your family's activity um in relation to Trevor still on the police radar as we've seen in that intelligence report. All right. It had not changed. Uh where did we live then?
01:28:42 then? That's right. We live just off my street then.
01:28:56 Now, you explain in your witness statement that um there had been prepared a closing investigation report in relation to Trevor's murder
01:29:12 in relation to Trevor's murder uh dated the 2nd of March 1995. Do do you remember mentioning that in your witness statement? Yes, I I must have. Yes. Page 22, if it helps you, paragraph 1.51.
01:29:20 1.51. Page 22.
01:29:26 Did Did you ever get to see that investigation report
01:29:36 2021? Let confirmation.
01:29:47 No, I never got to see that. Did the report uh I'm just looking at your witness statement, Mr. Burke. Monival. Did it eventually be Was it eventually made available to you around September 2023?
01:29:59 September 2023? I believe that was when I first found out about it. Yes. I see. All right. Mind you, I cannot be 100% sure. I understand. But
01:30:10 I understand. But it is very recently not too long ago that uh I was shown that uh
01:30:24 particular bit of paper. I don't even remember if it's
01:30:29 it's this the original one I was showed y
01:30:34 y that I saw on that thing because I got very upset about that. Yeah.
01:30:36 Yeah. I just want to return back to the document that we were looking at. So, UCPI 37377. Don't worry, it'll come up on the screen for you. 37377.
01:30:46 37377. Back to page four, please.
01:31:06 Just want to look at some of the other questions and answers on that document. Starting at the top at 13, it was asked, "Do you have any records relating to contact with the family during the initial investigation and any decisions made about that contact?"
01:31:22 decisions made about that contact?" Not at all, sir. The answer was a review of the case file reveals no family liaison
01:31:24 liaison officer log present. There is a commentary by this SIO I assume that's senior investigating officer that an FL was deployed but contact was lost with
01:31:35 was deployed but contact was lost with Trevor's father pre-inquest. Do you see that?
01:31:36 that? Yes, I see it. But uh I don't recall these people ever come looking for me. No. Uh and uh we can see in answer to
01:31:53 No. Uh and uh we can see in answer to the next question 14 confirmation that the
01:31:57 the report we've just been talking about uh was dated March 1995.
01:32:05 Yes. And I just want to look at now question 16. The family were never given Trevor's clothes, keys, or jewelry. Do you still hold these items? Can they be returned
01:32:19 hold these items? Can they be returned to the family? answer. In October 2021, many years after um Trevor's killing, the location of the personal items is being researched. Do you see that answer?
01:32:27 answer? Yes.
01:32:27 Yes. Did you ever get Trevor's things back? The only thing we ever got from Trevor was at the initial investigation,
01:32:40 was at the initial investigation, I believe, a policeman went to a pawn shop in
01:32:42 shop in May Street. Yeah.
01:32:49 Yeah. and came back and let us know that there was something in the pawn shop that was pawned by Trevor. I see.
01:32:54 I see. And I went looking for it some days later,
01:32:56 later, paid and collected. But all of Trevor's jewelry that he always wear, including his
01:33:09 that he always wear, including his clothes, phone, jacket, never got any of it.
01:33:11 it. But the only thing we got back was the things in the poncho. And it took quite
01:33:22 things in the poncho. And it took quite a while to get it back. The declarations that this and that and the other, but I did eventually get it back.
01:33:33 How do you feel that it took something like 28 years for you to learn of the report into Trevor's murder?
01:33:41 I couldn't answer that sir because the anger that bringed on it would take army language to discuss that.
01:33:49 that. You're right. Yes.
01:33:52 Yes. I want to look now at some of the intelligence reporting with you. All right.
01:34:00 right. And at the time that the Trevor Monaval Defense Campaign was active, did you ever suspect that police officers were paying attention to your family or attending activities of the campaign?
01:34:17 Would you repeat that please? Yes, of course. Whilst the campaign was ongoing, Yeah. Did you ever think that the police may have been attending its activities
01:34:36 may have been attending its activities or or paying attention to the campaign? We always believed that but we had no proof.
01:34:45 proof. Uh I think you give an example uh in uh your witness statement at paragraph 2.2 two page 2223
01:34:50 page 2223 of uh two plain clothes officers attending a a campaign meeting at the family home. Do do you remember? Oh yes.
01:34:58 Oh yes. Do you remember that? Planted in my mind. Yeah. That was with
01:35:11 Planted in my mind. Yeah. That was with my uh home that I had with my first wife soon after Trevor was killed. And
01:35:12 And no, was it soon after? Let's think.
01:35:22 No, that was the assault. I'm sorry. I see. So, after the assault? Assault. Yeah. Or after the injury. All right. Yeah.
01:35:26 Yeah. And um
01:35:32 And um as a result of police interest in the campaign,
01:35:34 campaign, did the campaign take any precautions?
01:35:44 Not really. I don't think we ever did. It was when uh something was stolen from the back of my car
01:35:58 car and a little while later something was my sister lost her papers and all. Then uh the chap who was running the campaign with my sister,
01:36:12 I think he run into trouble and all. I believe they they planted a white rat. Well, a lot of things went on.
01:36:24 Well, a lot of things went on. It was then we all became noticeable of what's happening. Can you remember? You took nothing. Can you remember what was stolen from your car?
01:36:31 your car? Papers of the campaign. Papers in relation to the campaign. Yeah. Because my sister used to give me report every day and every time that there was something to report
01:36:43 there was something to report and most of the time she used to give me a copy of whatever it is. And can you remember whether at the time of the theft you had anything of value in the car?
01:36:56 in the car? My home was burgled then. Right.
01:36:59 Right. In Victoria Park Road I lived then. Yes.
01:37:01 Yes. And uh
01:37:03 And uh all our hi-fi was taken.
01:37:10 Uh bits and pieces was taken. I can't remember letters and things like that. But we had a burglary. I came home one day. I couldn't open the front door. I see.
01:37:21 see. And when I did check and things, I thought Trevor was in cuz he lived with me then. I couldn't uh get and then when I
01:37:40 I couldn't uh get and then when I checked the basement went it was open. Were these thefts that you've told us about reported to the police? What for? Sir. All right. I suspected that the only person that could get to you back with a vehicle. I
01:37:52 could get to you back with a vehicle. I had a brand new lunch here that I bought on
01:37:53 on Yeah.
01:37:53 Yeah. Never never for my business. So I did not expect anybody else but this chaps to be able to open the boot. No.
01:38:05 No. Um I'd like to take you to a document please, Mr. Burke Monaval. And this is MPS 0740393.
01:38:20 That's 074393. It's at B1 of the hard copy bundle. A24.
01:38:23 A24. It will appear on your screen, Mr. Bmonville. Yeah, I can see that. March 1987 M. Yeah, I see that. Oops, it's gone.
01:38:33 gone. Here we go. All right. Uh, and can we go to page two, please?
01:38:40 Now, this is uh an intelligence report attributed to a special demonstration squad officer known to the inquiry as HN95.
01:38:52 HN95. Real name Stefan Scott. cover named Stefan Wasalowski who was an officer who infiltrated the Socialist Workers Party in Hackne South between 1985 and 1988.
01:39:10 between 1985 and 1988. And I just want to to read what it says and then ask you a few questions about it. All right. This report says this. Honey Rosenberg, a leading member of the Hackne North
01:39:22 a leading member of the Hackne North branch of the Socialist Workers Party, has been appointed to the organizing committee of the Trevor Monaval campaign, currently gathering momentum in the Stoke Newington area of London. Despite this move, which resulted from her previous contact with other
01:39:35 her previous contact with other committee members, the Socialist Workers Party has little influence over the policy or direction of the campaign. Indeed, Rosenberg has already become somewhat isolated on the committee by virtue of her color in politics.
01:39:49 virtue of her color in politics. The parents of Trevor Monaval are understandably still extremely distressed, but are adamant that the campaign should not go the way of previous similar campaigns such as that
01:40:01 previous similar campaigns such as that of Colin Roach. Their primary objective is that truth and justice should be ascertained by way of the relevant legal processes. They will seek public support only in pursuing their objective, for example, an independent inquiry.
01:40:17 example, an independent inquiry. There is, however, considerable pressure from various political and community groups to link the tragedy uh with the recent death of a black youth in Wolverampton and to incorporate the events into a
01:40:28 and to incorporate the events into a more general and fundamental campaign against uh police oppression, violence, and racism. It is likely that such pressure uh will eventually win uh win
01:40:39 pressure uh will eventually win uh win the day primarily because the organizing committee and stewards will be unable to exercise control over pickets and demonstrations which are likely to be well intended by extreme left-wing
01:40:53 well intended by extreme left-wing groups and other individuals intent upon exerting their will on the proceedings. The Socialist Workers Party predictably does not aspire to the set objectives of the campaign, but rather views it as an
01:41:07 the campaign, but rather views it as an important focal point of local attention and as such an obvious area for recruitment and contact. Accordingly, they will continue to support any event held in support of the campaign and will organize their own street and public
01:41:25 organize their own street and public meetings centered on their perception uh of the issue. And if we go over the page,
01:41:31 page, uh, we can see mention of the campaign, Trevor Monaval campaign, uh, with the reference mentions against it. Do you see that? Yes, sir.
01:41:39 Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. B. Monival. Um,
01:42:01 how do you feel about an undercover officer reporting back to special branch about your distress and Trevor's mother's distress at what happened to your son?
01:42:15 at what happened to your son? Well, uh, at the time when we initially knew that they were spying on us, they denied it was just a few words. Yeah.
01:42:16 Yeah. Cuz I on that day when they came and said that uh those were the only entries about Trevor Monville. We'll get to that in due course. All right.
01:42:26 right. Yeah.
01:42:29 Yeah. But how do you feel about the fact that here we see an officer? Very very disturbed about talking about your grief. Very disturbed. Yes. very very disturbing.
01:42:42 Yes. very very disturbing. What reasons did they have for that? Was that report correct uh in its assertion that there was pressure from other groups to link what happened to Trevor to the death of another black youth in
01:42:59 death of another black youth in Wolverampton and to try and pursue a a more general campaign? Was there any truth or accuracy in that? Not from us. If anyone took that upon theirel
01:43:08 theirel to carry on with, we knew nothing about it.
01:43:10 it. I personally didn't know absolutely nothing about it. And I've never been to Wolverampton in any demonstration or everything. So
01:43:24 everything. So if Trevor's name was mentioned at that campaign or whatever that they were aiming for, we didn't give them permission to do such a thing.
01:43:35 such a thing. Did you ever experience any incident of the Socialist Workers Party trying to recruit
01:43:37 recruit members,
01:43:41 members, new members from from your campaign to its organization? Did you ever experience that? I don't think so. I don't I personally did not experience that.
01:43:59 Can we now look at um UCPI 28580? [Music]
01:44:03 Uh this is a B2 of the hard copy bundle.
01:44:12 Thank you.
01:44:21 Now, uh Mr. about Monavville. This is a an intelligence report dated the 9th of September 1988. It's attributed to an SDS undercover officer known to the Inquirer as HN10,
01:44:32 officer known to the Inquirer as HN10, real name Robert Lambert, cover name Bob Robertson. And that individual was uh an anarchist
01:44:40 anarchist uh deployed into anarchists and animal rights groups uh between 1984 and 1989.
01:44:51 Uh, and it's a report um that um deals with the Hackne Community Defense Association, a group you you told us about a little earlier.
01:45:04 about a little earlier. And I just want to have a look at at what this report says. It says a paragraph to this. Um, using the pen name Helen Purchase and
01:45:16 using the pen name Helen Purchase and the recently formed front organization Hackne Community Defense Association, local anarchist Norman Blair has written to the Hackne Gazette criticizing local police officer Superintendent Dave
01:45:34 police officer Superintendent Dave Dugmore. This follows recent publicity surrounding the acquitt of Trevor Monville.
01:45:51 Now, Mr. Burke Monaval, um the inquiry has obtained a witness statement uh from the officer, Robert Lambert. Uh and in
01:45:59 Uh and in his witness statement, he says he can't assist as to any basis on which the Hackne Community Defense Association was described in this document. as a front organization or a front association.
01:46:12 organization or a front association. Front organization I think is of the terminology. Do you have any idea what the author of this report might have meant uh when
01:46:24 this report might have meant uh when they referred to the HCDA as being some sort of front organization?
01:46:34 No sir. What sort of organization did you understand the HCDA to be? The sole purpose of that uh organization when we first
01:46:45 organization when we first met up with the people that was running it, one particular man that we knew was to help us find out what happened to
01:46:57 to help us find out what happened to Trevor. And that was the only thing, nothing else. Do you know what the author of uh the report meant when they referred to
01:47:12 report meant when they referred to recent publicity surrounding the acquitt of Trevor Monavville? Bearing in mind this report's dated the 9th of September, 1988. Do you have any idea what the author of the uh report is talking about? No, sir.
01:47:30 No, sir. How does it make you feel to see uh that an undercover officer was providing intelligence uh related to the acquitt of your son on that partic
01:47:42 on that partic particular time?
01:47:52 I am not sure what to make of it. I cannot remember that particular date, nor do I know the intention of the offer of that report.
01:47:59 report. It's of
01:48:01 It's of no significant interest to myself cuz I knew nothing about it. Now, I think you made clear in your
01:48:13 Now, I think you made clear in your witness statement that you have seen the part of Robert Lambert's witness statement that relates to this report where he says that he has no recollection of anything to do with
01:48:25 recollection of anything to do with Trevor or or anything to do with the campaign.
01:48:28 campaign. How did it make you feel to read that? He's the greatest liar I've ever heard speak.
01:48:38 No, because I I don't know about him and I heard him say it. He was asked about what does he know about Trevor Monville and he said he never heard of him. I think that was what was said. I didn't take it as something of interest.
01:49:02 take it as something of interest. You know, it makes you feel very sad to hear these things that people will do these things and then lie about it. Because I was told by someone when we were here that we should get
01:49:18 that we should get the lawyer to ask him what does he know about Trevor Monavville and he said nothing. Sir is that a convenient moment? Certainly. Um we normally
01:49:35 Um we normally I would sorry do finish your sentence please. I would like to hear more of this place when we return. Yes.
01:49:35 Yes. But I would I did not take it of any interest when I first heard it. But now that I've seen this, I did read about that. But uh
01:49:49 that. But uh from my uh papers that was provided to me.
01:49:50 me. I think I did, but I did not fully understand it. If you could make me understand that afterwards, I'd be very grateful.
01:49:56 grateful. All right. Well, I'll speak I'll speak to your legal representatives during the meeting. All right. All right, then we'll um adjourn for 15 minutes. Thank you.
01:50:05 you. Thank you, sir. Imagine. Imagine
02:12:27 Thank you. Um, Mr. Burke Monville, before we start again proper, I'm reminded and and I'm grateful uh just to cover again the sequence of events that happened when um Trevor uh
02:12:38 events that happened when um Trevor uh had following Trevor having surgery and I think it's right that after he had his
02:12:49 I think it's right that after he had his operation at the Msley, he was at the he stayed at the Morsley for a while then was transferred to King's College Hospital and then went home. Is is that the right sequence of events? Yes, sir.
02:12:55 Yes, sir. Yes.
02:12:58 Yes. I'm sorry about uh it's not everything I read.
02:13:02 read. Not at all. I think it's my error, not yours. So, no apology required. All right.
02:13:07 right. Um could I just ask uh just for a brief moment that last document that we were looking at just be put up again, please? So, that's UCPI 35081.
02:13:15 No, forgive me. Uh it is UCPI
02:13:26 285 28580 28580.
02:13:33 [Music]
02:13:46 Mr. Bert Monaval, before the um break, I was asking you about this um um document and how it made you feel uh to see that part of the intelligence touched on the uh aqu quiddle or
02:14:04 touched on the uh aqu quiddle or publicity surrounding the acquitt of your your son Trevor. Um the
02:14:09 Um the officer to whom this document is attributed uh Bob Lambert is is due to give evidence later this year.
02:14:20 evidence later this year. Is something that you want to find out from Bob Lambert
02:14:29 is is why this material uh this information in relation to Trevor was included in this report. Is that something you'd want to to know from that witness?
02:14:40 that witness? Of course. It is something I would like to hear him repeat. Can we please go to 23772, please? UCPI 23772. It's at B3 of the hard copy bundle.
02:15:06 Now, uh, Mr. Burke Monaval, this is a an intelligence report dated the 13th of December, 1988. Um, it's attributed to an officer uh known to the inquir as HN25 cover named Kevin Douglas
02:15:18 Kevin Douglas uh who uh was deployed into the
02:15:32 uh who uh was deployed into the Broadwater Farm Defense Campaign and the Troops Out movement in Haringay uh between 1987 and 1991. And this report uh concerns the Broadwater Farm Defense Campaign and a a picket that was held
02:15:47 Campaign and a a picket that was held uh at uh Worman Scrubs Prison in support of the three men who uh had been uh convicted of murdering police constable uh Keith Blakelock. So it's not a report about activity
02:16:04 about activity uh of the Trevor Monville defense campaign. Do do you follow? Yes sir.
02:16:07 Yes sir. Now at at paragraph three of that report um just towards the bottom we we can see that that it was reported
02:16:26 that that it was reported uh that at that picket there were chants um in support of the Trevor Monaval defense campaign as well as other causes.
02:16:38 How does it make you feel uh that an undercover officer felt the need to report on people chanting in support of your campaign at a completely unrelated event?
02:16:52 Well, firstly, it makes me feel very good that my son is being mentioned so that we can have opportunity to ask questions. But secondly,
02:17:11 But secondly, I am not happy if it's going to cause problems for anyone, especially our campaign.
02:17:17 campaign. But to be fair and honest, I like it. All right.
02:17:26 Can we next look at a document uh I think we've already looked at uh and it's uh MPS 025928 web. MPS025928 web which is a D1 of the hard copy bundle.
02:17:54 025928 web please.
02:18:11 Now, Mr. Bonavville, this is an intelligence report dated the 13th of uh February, 1996. I it's um attributed by the Inquirer inquiry to an undercover officer known
02:18:25 inquiry to an undercover officer known as HN15 whose real name is Mark Jenner. uh cover name was Mark Cassidy and that officer um deployed into various groups including the College
02:18:38 various groups including the College Roach Center uh between 1995 and the year 2000. And this is the report that we looked at before
02:18:48 before uh which relates to a march and rally in memory of Trevor that was due to take place in Stoke Newington uh around the second anniversary of Trevor's death.
02:19:04 And we can see that the intelligence report gives a date and time uh of uh the event. It gives reference to uh the uh organizer. We can see the nature of the event
02:19:16 We can see the nature of the event described as Martin Rally in memory of Trevor Monavville. Numbers likely to attend estimated as 50 to 100.
02:19:23 to 100. Likelihood of disorder is unlikely. And it says event advertised not yet.
02:19:34 And it says event advertised not yet. And the report reads as follows. This event will mark the death of Trevor Monaval, a black man who died allegedly as a result of his treatment at the hands of State Newington police. It it is likely to be small low a small
02:19:47 is likely to be small low a small low-key affair attended by a few local black family groups supported by union activists and members of the Colin Roach Center. Attempts will be made to get a high-profile speaker
02:20:05 high-profile speaker uh has been mentioned, somebody has been mentioned to address at at rally at the Alavi Center after the demonstration. Uh and then we see bottom left of the document uh reference to the Trevor
02:20:23 document uh reference to the Trevor Monaval campaign and bottom right a a registry file number there uh 400 uh slash87146.
02:20:41 Now by the time that this um commemorative event was being um reported so by 13th of February 1996
02:20:44 1996 can you remember whether the event had been advertised or publicized at all in February?
02:20:53 No I couldn't be sure about it. Can't be sure. All right.
02:21:04 But I was told that I knew about that but I did not know where it was publicized. The report itself against the um heading event advertise
02:21:22 event advertise uh says not yet. So taking that at face value, it would look like this intelligence uh was being provided before uh any public um advertising or or or promotion of
02:21:34 um advertising or or or promotion of this event. Do do you follow what I'm saying?
02:21:37 saying? Of course, sir. How how does it make you feel
02:21:43 feel uh that information about this event was being uh reported on before it was publicly known that it was going to take place? Well, to be
02:22:00 Well, to be fair and honest, it disturbed me because I was told that there was no such thing happening
02:22:01 happening and there it is that it was happening. May I ask
02:22:13 that it was happening. May I ask something? I am not sure about this privacy number at the bottom. I see. Um
02:22:19 I see. Um on occasion the inquiry has to redact documents to protect other people's privacy. Uh and that's the reason for that redaction. All right.
02:22:30 that redaction. All right. Okay. So how do I get to know what does it mean?
02:22:38 it mean? Um that's something I'll I'll speak to your legal representatives about in course. All right. Yeah.
02:22:42 All right. The um
02:22:51 report says that um Trevor died allegedly as a result of his treatment at the hands of Stoke Newington police. That's not right, is it? It is quite right, sir. Say that again.
02:23:03 Say that again. It is. It is quite right. That is my belief.
02:23:05 belief. And uh
02:23:15 And uh I can't see any other way but that if they didn't do it theirel was something leading up to it concerning their self. All right. Maybe we're cross purposes Mr. Burke Monville. All right. But I'm
02:23:28 Mr. Burke Monville. All right. But I'm not talking about Trevor's injuries that ended that resulted in have in him having to have brain surgery in hospital. Talking about his killing. All right. Because this this document says
02:23:41 right. Because this this document says Trevor died allegedly as a result of his treatment at the hands of Stoke Newington police. That that's not accurate, is it? I will not say it's accurate,
02:23:54 I will not say it's accurate, but in my mind, they had something not quite right to do with it. If you do not understand what I mean, I will say that as a father,
02:24:07 I will say that as a father, as a member of my own family and what we discussed, yes,
02:24:12 yes, we believe that everyone concerning what happened to Trevor was worried that eventually he will find his way to remember.
02:24:23 remember. I do apologize for having this in mind but uh
02:24:28 but uh that is what one of the theories that we believe.
02:24:38 believe. How do you feel that an undercover police officer was reporting on a memorial march for Trevor? Not happy about it but uh do not feel good about it but I believe he had his reasons for being there.
02:24:52 being there. This report was made two years after Trevor had passed away a nine years um after he was seriously uh injured.
02:25:03 um after he was seriously uh injured. Is there any reason that you can think of
02:25:08 of uh for the police to have remained interested uh in
02:25:16 uh in uh matters relating to Trevor after that time had passed? It surprised me as much as it does you because what business did they have with us
02:25:27 us after Trevor was gone? You know it is very surprising that police still had an interest in the family
02:25:40 family and uh I am not happy about it. I would like to ask them why. I do not feel good about that at all. We can see that um a special branch
02:25:59 We can see that um a special branch registry file number is recorded against the campaign. What was your reaction to discovering that the campaign had been assigned
02:26:03 assigned a special branch file? Very surprised. What happened? No one knows only them. See why did that surprise you? We gave them no reason for such an action.
02:26:24 Shall I go on please?
02:26:25 please? Because after Trevor's death,
02:26:35 we went back into our cocoon and did not have anything to do with the police anymore.
02:26:37 anymore. So, it's surprising.
02:26:46 Now, um, you explain in your witness statement, um, that, and I'm at paragraphs 2.10 10 to 2.11 pages 27 to 28 that independently you discovered
02:27:01 28 that independently you discovered that Mark Jenner the officer to whom this report is attributed uh had infiltrated infiltrated a meeting held by the family on the first
02:27:12 held by the family on the first anniversary of Trevor's death the 18th of March 1995. Do do you remember saying that in your witness statement?
02:27:26 very very very surprised he was at the
02:27:28 at the memorial. I was told I even believe in my mind that someone did introduce me to a young man but I did not know what
02:27:43 to a young man but I did not know what he was or what business that he had with us.
02:27:49 us. But I was told sometime later that he wanted to help you know but I am not sure I have made that mistake before taking one person for another. I see
02:28:10 you also go on to explain um that at an inquiry, an early inquiry hearing held at the Royal Courts of Justice, you had a conversation with a former undercover officer called Peter Francis. Do you
02:28:22 officer called Peter Francis. Do you remember mentioning that in your witness statement? This gentleman I know very well. And after everything that had happened, I
02:28:33 after everything that had happened, I got to know him. Yes. And you uh tell us that Mr. Francis told you that uh he and Mr. Jenner were were on the campaign
02:28:42 campaign uh before Mr. Francis says he was sent over to the Steven Lawrence campaign. Do you remember saying that was mentioned to me? But uh when he was asked about it,
02:28:53 was asked about it, he put it quite differently from what he told me. I am not saying maybe I was too eager to learn or to hear what he was
02:29:06 eager to learn or to hear what he was saying could have been my mistake but that was when I got to know Mr. Peter Francis. Yes. I think that was at the Royal Court of Justice.
02:29:18 Uh thank you.
02:29:29 Um another document please. Um Mr. Bert Monville and this time it's MPS 0735454
02:29:35 web. So it's 0735454
02:29:42 web which is at C2 of the hard copy bundle.
02:29:54 And if we could go immediately to um well actually let's stick with where we are with the page we're looking at is headed uh notes from meeting with former uh detective inspector Andy Coohl's at
02:30:08 uh detective inspector Andy Coohl's at home address 2nd of May 2013. So um just to put these in context for you uh Mr. the Burton Monaval. These are the notes from a meeting
02:30:19 from a meeting um that other police officers had with a former undercover officer known to the inquiry as HN2 whose real name is uh Andrew Coohl's cover name Andy Davyy uh who deployed into various groups
02:30:31 uh who deployed into various groups principally animal rights groups between 1991 and 1995
02:30:45 a and those officers that met with Mr. coals were part of operation hear which was the police investigation into the SDS.
02:30:48 SDS. And I just want to look at something that said on page uh six of this document.
02:31:03 We can see just at top of the document there just below the the black box uh a comment that was recorded there was I know about Trevor Monavville. Do you see that?
02:31:13 see that? Yes, I can see. Sir, how did it make you feel to to see that comment?
02:31:21 Not happy.
02:31:28 Did it raise questions in your mind? It it did because uh all these people know about Trevor Monville, but no one is telling the truth about what they know.
02:31:40 truth about what they know. He said he knows about Trevor Monville. What does he know about Trevor Monville? He should have the decency of letting me
02:31:51 He should have the decency of letting me know what he knows about my son. He must know
02:31:55 know as a father that I would love to hear what he knows about my son. Mr. Kohl's is due to give evidence uh later this year.
02:32:11 later this year. I would like to be there to ask him. Please let me know what he knows because I am in the dark.
02:32:18 Um I'd like to look at a couple of more documents now. Uh stepping away from intelligence reporting and and going back to some documents that you've provided us with. And the first please is uh UCPI 37098.
02:32:31 is uh UCPI 37098. UCPI 37098.
02:32:38 uh and it's at A4 of the hard copy bundle.
02:32:48 Uh I'm not going to go uh into any detail in relation to this, but I think it's right that on the 26th of August 2014, we can see that you're written to by uh the chief constible of Darbasher
02:32:59 by uh the chief constible of Darbasher Police, Mick Creed, who headed Operation Hearn.
02:33:06 Hearn. Uh and that letter informed that uh information had been revealed that needed to be discussed with you and your family.
02:33:22 And as a result of that contact, did you meet with Operation Hearn officers? I did. Yes. Not on my own.
02:33:33 Not on my own. All right. I believe I met with him uh I am not sure the name I've heard several times and I met with someone
02:33:46 and I met with someone two people as a matter of fact in the office of my representative and that was the first time that I
02:33:57 and that was the first time that I believe if it's the right person that I knew I was spied All right. I'm going to uh just touch on that a little later on. But before I do that, I just want to look at one other
02:34:09 that, I just want to look at one other document that you've provided, which is uh UCPI 37097. UCPI 37097 uh which is a A5 of the hard copy bundle.
02:34:26 And this is a letter written to your family.
02:34:28 family. um
02:34:32 um by Assistant Commissioner Helen King. And I just want to look at uh well the letter made reference to material identified by Operation Hearn that referred to the Trevor Monaval Defense Campaign
02:34:45 Defense Campaign held within a document and generate generated and retained by the Metropolitan Police. And I just want to have a look at some of what's said in the letter just starting with the second paragraph. It reads, "Having reviewed this document, it's clear that the
02:34:59 this document, it's clear that the mention of your campaign does not assist us in detecting crime or preventing disorder and should not therefore have
02:35:14 disorder and should not therefore have been kept. The fact that this record was stored for so long without review was a breach of nationally agreed policy and was entirely wrong. The Metropolitan Police Service fully accept that a significant amount of information was incorrectly gathered, recorded, and retained as a direct result of the way in which the Special Demonstration Squad
02:35:26 in which the Special Demonstration Squad operated. I'm very sorry that we fell so far short of our responsibility to properly handle information. I'm aware that the public expects the highest standards of professionalism from the
02:35:37 standards of professionalism from the Metropolitan Police Service and on this occasion, we have not met those standards. I'm also very sorry for the distress that may this may have caused to you and those who supported your campaign for justice.
02:35:55 Um did you consider uh this apology uh to be sufficient?
02:36:08 uh to be sufficient? meant nothing much to us because uh he did not give a reason why he was still of an interest
02:36:24 still of an interest to us after all this time and why we were still of a interest to him after that period of time. More explanation from this letter would have told us more. Apologizing
02:36:39 should not satisfied us. We would like to know more the reasons for telling us or writing to us such a letter.
02:36:54 [Applause] Thank you. Uh now, uh I think it's right and you explain in your witness statement that
02:37:08 explain in your witness statement that on the 8th of June of 2016, you in fact had a meeting with officers from Operation Hearn. Um and you deal with this if it assists you at paragraph 3.4 on page 30 of your witness statement.
02:37:19 witness statement. Uh and at that meeting c can you remember whether uh you were told anything about how many documents that
02:37:30 anything about how many documents that had been found that refer to the Trevor Monaval defense defense campaign.
02:37:38 Maybe it was my mistake, but if I am right, I was told only one one. Uh, I'm just going to um bring up a document
02:37:54 document uh and it's UCPI 37100. UCPI 37100, which is a A6 of the hard copy bundle.
02:38:07 And there's a document here uh headed summarized version SDS intelligence reports Trevor Monavville.
02:38:16 And then if we go on to the second page, it says annual report 1987. No downward dissemination of this intelligence without reference to commander operation special branch information dated 1987.
02:38:28 information dated 1987. And then it says this, the following organizations were directly penetrated or closely monitored during the year under review. And then it gives the
02:38:44 under review. And then it gives the group Trevor Monival defense campaign. Do you recognize that document there? Again, oldest document.
02:38:54 I am not directly sure about which is which.
02:38:55 which. All right. Because when I was first notified of what was happening by the people who spied on us there,
02:39:16 the people who spied on us there, the first sight of I had of this letter, the very first person I mentioned it to was my
02:39:19 was my representative. Yes.
02:39:22 Yes. And the first meeting I had with them, they were wrong. If I have made a mistake with the date and the time and the letters, I
02:39:33 and the time and the letters, I apologize. But uh these things are what I did see
02:39:35 I did see but not sure in what sequence they go. All right. You you told us earlier that initially you were told there was um just one
02:39:45 just one one just one. Is that what you were shown uh when you were told that there was just one document referencing the campaign? Yeah. which answered uh
02:40:01 Yeah. which answered uh we were told it was just a few words. Yeah.
02:40:04 Yeah. Maybe two or three lines. All right. And nothing else. And then all these other ones are very surprising. All right. Just pause a moment, please. Now, I'm just going to take you to
02:40:16 Now, I'm just going to take you to another document. Um Mr. Burke Monal, and we can see we're going to have a look at the original document from where that information was extracted. All right. So it's um MPS07-28976
02:40:26 MPS 0728976.
02:40:43 Now um this is the um special demonstration squad annual annual report for 1987. And if we could go to page 10 please.
02:41:00 Uh we can see um at the top under the heading coverage it says we can see some of the wording that was disclosed to you. The following organizations were directly penetrated or closely monitored during the year
02:41:17 or closely monitored during the year under review. Uh and a list of groups some apparent some redacted. And if we go on to page 11 under the heading others, uh, we can see reference to the Trevor Monaval defense campaign. Do do you see that?
02:41:29 Not yet. Not yet.
02:41:30 Not yet. I'm looking. Just last bit of text at the bottom of the page. Thank you. Oh, yes.
02:41:34 Oh, yes. Thank you.
02:41:43 I have. Now you were told uh that um the police uh located uh one document at that stage. Uh what did they say about anything else at that stage?
02:42:07 I do not remember. You will have to ask cuz I have not never engaged with police.
02:42:11 police. All right. Unless I have uh someone representing me at the time. Can I take you to your witness statement, Mr. Bert Monival, at page 31 um paragraph 3.6.
02:42:34 Now you you say here, "I was informed that Operation Hearn could not find any of that intelligence and it was most likely uh it was destroyed that such documents often get destroyed and this document probably should have been destroyed too. I was informed that it
02:42:46 destroyed too. I was informed that it was unlikely the campaign was directly penetrated or closely monitored and that the SDS uh officers wanted to sound more
02:42:58 the SDS uh officers wanted to sound more important than they uh than they were to justify their work. At this meeting I was told there was no infiltration of my family but we were just part of wider
02:43:10 family but we were just part of wider group of wider group of justice groups. Do do you see that? I do claim. Does that refresh your memory as to what you were told about
02:43:21 memory as to what you were told about the existence of of documents relating to Trevor at at the time? Yes.
02:43:28 Yes. I was surprised that all these things came forward afterwards. As I will repeat again, we were told there was only just maybe three or four lines about what took place.
02:43:53 How do you feel about the fact that the Trevor Monaval defense campaign was reported on by undercover police? I do not feel happy about it and I would like to have an opportunity to ask them why. We never caused them any bother.
02:44:11 We never caused them any bother. We are only asking what happened to a member of our family. We were dissatisfied with what they say and what happened to him.
02:44:22 him. So we asked questions just to try and get answers.
02:44:31 Just want to look at paragraph 3.8 of your witness statement, page 31. And is it right that when you made your statement
02:44:39 statement uh you said that this discovery had a significant traumatic impact on you and that your you felt that you'd been deliberately targeted or the family had been deliberately targeted for seeking
02:44:50 been deliberately targeted for seeking answers and justice in respect of police violence, racism and corruption. Is that right?
02:44:57 right? Yes.
02:44:59 Yes. And do you maintain that feeling, Mr. Bur Mon?
02:45:07 It is possibly that uh things have
02:45:14 materialized or changed in any way. But I still do believe that from what has happened to us as a family
02:45:26 us as a family that it all has to do with the last word that you use, racism.
02:45:40 Why do you think the police were interested in the campaign?
02:45:51 These are some very awkward questions to answer. say if I have to tell the truth because of the color of our skin.
02:46:07 How do you feel about information in relation to the campaign being recorded, retained and shared by special branch?
02:46:13 I truly believe they had no reason
02:46:20 for doing this to a family that try their best to live within the law
02:46:37 as a result of these experiences. How how do you feel about the police?
02:46:45 I do not have any
02:46:51 misfeillings about police. I believe in law and order. When I was a young man, when I first arrived in this country, my initial thoughts was to join the police force
02:47:05 police force and become something in it and then rush back to St. and become a big boy. But at that time I was told I was too short.
02:47:13 short. And when I was told that they are recruiting at my
02:47:25 was told that they are recruiting at my height, I already had two boys. So I had to work very hard to maintain them. I couldn't live on the police card wages at that time. It wasn't very much then.
02:47:39 much then. Although I do regret it, but I had two sons to take care of. I have no ill feelings about the police, but I do not do enjoy what they practice.
02:47:58 Just want to ask you briefly now, Mr. Mer Bonville, about some of some events that happened a little later in your life. All right. And I think it's right that about 6 months before Trevor died, uh, your
02:48:09 months before Trevor died, uh, your twins, Joseph and Jonathan, were born to you and your partner, Linda. Is that correct?
02:48:10 correct? Yes. Lovely girl.
02:48:18 I think it's right that uh there came a time when the twins uh were moved to Nigeria uh for their education. Is that right?
02:48:27 right? Well, to further their education. We were they were at school and one day they came home complaining about uh they had a fight at school. See
02:48:44 See and the young man classmate who believe who believe they believe was a friend offered them a knife to fight the other boys that they were fighting with. And we concluded then
02:48:58 fighting with. And we concluded then that the very best thing to do to avoid all this after what had happened to us with Trevor was
02:49:02 was to send them away where they will have peace of mind and their education will further.
02:49:15 their education will further. I think it's right. The twins return to London just before they turn 19 years old. Is that correct? That's true. We in Well, we always promised them that we would invite them back for the Olympics
02:49:28 back for the Olympics and we did. My wife went back and bring them home. Yeah.
02:49:32 Yeah. Or was it uh No, I believe they travel on their own, right?
02:49:38 right? Yes. She went and bring them home. Now,
02:49:39 Now, and they were very happy. Strange thing happened at the airport when I I was late getting there. When I get got there,
02:49:52 get got there, they were looking so well that a lady asked me, "Are they a pop duro?" And I said, "No, they're just my sons returning from school."
02:50:05 returning from school." Never knew that uh I would have to suffer those words later.
02:50:19 On the 16th of February of 2013, Joseph and Jonathan were with their brother, your son David, at a gym in Hackne. That's right, isn't it? Yes.
02:50:22 Yes. And they were approached by two men and shot at in a case of what the police later concluded to be one of mistaken identity. Is that correct? Yes, sir.
02:50:35 Yes, sir. And all three of your boys were injured. Yes.
02:50:39 Yes. Joseph fatally so. Is that right? Yeah, he was shot in the head and day
02:50:47 once again. Uh, you and your family found yourselves involved in another police investigation. Just pause. That's a minute, please. Of course. And please, uh, please.
02:51:03 It's got to be good to be asked.
02:51:20 Yes.
02:51:26 Go with her. Go with her.
02:51:45 Sorry about that. Not at all. Mr. B, would you like to pause now and go out to your wife? I would really enjoy. Yes.
02:51:53 Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Then take as long as you need. Thank you.
03:03:43 [Applause]
03:03:55 Mr. B Monville, I'm sorry to touch on subject matter that's difficult. All right, but uh I won't be much longer with you and uh certainly you'll finish with me uh pretty soon, I hope. Okay.
03:04:11 with me uh pretty soon, I hope. Okay. Well, I would like you to drill me as much as you can, sir. Right.
03:04:13 Right. Now, um
03:04:28 Now, um before the break, um I was um uh asking you uh about um your twins. Yes.
03:04:29 Yes. And
03:04:34 And I think you found yourself once again involved in in another police investigation this time in relation to the killing of Joseph. Is that right? Yes, I did, sir.
03:04:51 And I think you explain in your witness statement that uh at paragraph 4.4, four page 36
03:04:59 that during the investigation into Joseph's death uh a liaison officer
03:05:10 uh a liaison officer uh mentioned Trevor to you. Do do you remember that happening? Yes, he did. I remember that. I think you told us that um that the liaison officer said to you that Trevor was a strong boy.
03:05:24 boy. Said to you that it took six officers to restrain him and asked for a family tree. Do do you remember giving that account in your witness statement? That is quite true, sir. C
03:05:38 C can you remember h how you reacted to to being um
03:05:40 being um to these comments? I was not happy about it. I did not say no to him when he said that.
03:05:50 that. But I knew in my mind that I had no
03:06:04 But I knew in my mind that I had no intention of supplying him with anything to do with my family. Cuz I recall that whatever I said to him would go very far.
03:06:14 But I showed no action about being annoyed with him. But I was very annoyed.
03:06:29 Now you explain in your witness statement how um three men were tried in connection with Joseph's killing, but that the prosecution um didn't proceed. There is another period of anger. We were told
03:06:42 We were told absolutely everything was in our favor of
03:06:44 of those free getting
03:06:49 getting some type of call
03:06:56 to do with being punished for what happened to uh Joseph and uh couple of days or
03:07:08 and uh couple of days or two or three days or four is before the trial commence.
03:07:16 We were told that there is no evidence to carry on and everything was at a standstill.
03:07:37 Your son David, who was with the twins at the time of the shooting, was himself sadly murdered in a violent robbery in June 2019. Is that right? Yes.
03:07:39 Yes. After moving away, I am still in Hatne, but I send my family
03:07:52 family all the way to another address, at least 10, 12 miles away.
03:08:00 So, how and behold, it came back to haunt us again. It's right that those involved in his killing were ultimately convicted. Is that correct? Yes.
03:08:15 Yes. Those uh policemen in that particular area
03:08:20 area put a smile on my face and I was uh quite pleased with them. But the other two, I'm still not happy about what went on.
03:08:38 Mr. Bonavville, you've had experiences of uh engaging with the Metropolitan Police in tragic circumstances involving three of your children. Yep. And since then, you've learned
03:08:50 Yep. And since then, you've learned that an undercover unit reported on the campaign that you and your family set up to seek justice justice for Trevor.
03:09:07 Well, has let me if I could just ask the question. Has learning that an undercover officer that undercover officers reported on that campaign has
03:09:20 officers reported on that campaign has that affected your relationship with the police and the and the relationship of your family with the police? Well, it's it did not fall well with me,
03:09:33 fall well with me, especially the treatment that was given to my mother during Trevor and father and the rest of the family.
03:09:46 and the rest of the family. What police tried to do at the time in instead of finding the people that commit the crime, the way they've treated us since then and the things that has happened to us
03:10:01 and the things that has happened to us and no one has ever been bought to book. I am not happy
03:10:09 with the other two cases. Trevor and Joseph. Trevor. Joseph. David.
03:10:18 David. I am glad that they found a way to prosecute the people that calls them that caused his death. with Trevor and Joseph.
03:10:35 You see, in my mind, David had a pretty good life
03:10:43 good life before such a thing happened to him. But the other two was taken too early. 19 both of them never had any time to have a proper pint
03:10:57 a proper pint or a proper drink with my children. And what they wanted to achieve was great things that would make me proud.
03:11:05 proud. And the saddest part of it is what he has left, what it has left on the other twin.
03:11:18 on the other twin. At this present moment, we are not enjoying his company at all because he is disturbed. What happened to his brothers? And it's not him alone.
03:11:33 And it's not him alone. There are about five members of the family
03:11:35 family that is feeling it very deep. Mr. Burke Marville, that's all I have to ask for you at this stage. There may be
03:11:46 ask for you at this stage. There may be uh a few more questions a little later. All right. Thank you so much, sir. But I don't think you have gone far enough with college. There are many things in my
03:11:57 college. There are many things in my heart I would like to get off my chest. All right. But I thank you and I'm very grateful to you, sir.
03:12:10 Mr. Burke Maro, would you bear with us for another quarter of an hour, please? The routine is that if there are any questions that anybody wishes council to the inquiry to ask or if your council wishes to ask you questions and
03:12:22 wishes to ask you questions and re-examination, they have 15 minutes in which to consider that. Uh and you may then be asked further questions. But I
03:12:36 then be asked further questions. But I think your evidence is almost quite at Thank you so much. I'm quite prepared to be grilled again. Thank you. Thank you so so much. And I thank everybody
03:12:49 And I thank everybody for coming and sitting patiently to listen to me. Thank you all on behalf of myself, my wife and my family. Thank you.
03:27:49 Yes, Mr. Warren. I take it there are no questions from anyone other than uh sorry, there are no questions other than those as to be asked in re-examination. So yes,
03:27:59 So yes, thank you. Yes, um Mr. Mr. Burke Monavville. Um I have a couple of further questions for you. Um
03:28:12 couple of further questions for you. Um can I ask um that Mr. Burke Monavville's witness statement is brought up on the screen
03:28:17 screen and in particular paragraph 4.8 of that statement
03:28:21 37 which is at page 37.
03:28:29 [Music]
03:28:34 Mr. Burke Monavville, I'm going to read out that passage. In that statement, that paragraph, you have said, "I believe there has been a
03:28:48 have said, "I believe there has been a lack of care and implicit racism when it has come to the investigation of Trevor's and Joseph's murders. I believe those investigation failures may be connected with the history of
03:29:02 may be connected with the history of police corruption and racism in Hackne and our allegations that a police assault in Stoke Newington police station in 1987 caused Trevor's brain damage.
03:29:20 caused Trevor's brain damage. Does that remain your position today? Well, I have repeated
03:29:28 saying that maybe I should put it in a different way.
03:29:31 way. What happened to Trevor and the explanation that uh we have heard and the lies
03:29:43 heard and the lies that we have been told have not satisfied this particular family.
03:29:52 At the end of everything that has been said,
03:29:57 said, I truly believe racism by the police force and those in authority that control the police are to blame
03:30:08 are to blame for Trevor's and Joseph.
03:30:21 especially Trevor. They are to blame for not investigating properly.
03:30:31 Reasons for that I do not fully understand but I am quite aware that police is responsible
03:30:49 that police is responsible for the beginning of Trevor's trouble and it leads up to his death. So I am not satisfied. Another thing is I believe if Trevor
03:30:58 Trevor was in his right mind and not having to have such an operation,
03:31:09 operation, he would have survived until today because after the initial injury of Trevor,
03:31:26 injury of Trevor, he was getting himself together. He had children then and
03:31:28 and he had a future. So whatever it is, unless someone is persecuted
03:31:39 persecuted or bought to book for Trevor and Joseph, we as a family will never be happy. We are aware of what we want
03:31:51 We are aware of what we want but then again because of the situation of what is practiced we do not believe that we will ever get satisfaction
03:32:02 satisfaction but we are still hoping for a surprise.
03:32:11 Thank you. And can I then ask you finally to look at paragraph 3.9 of your witness statement?
03:32:15 uh which is at page 32
03:32:24 which links to what you yes 3.9
03:32:26 yes 3.9 and I'm going to read that out the
03:32:37 and I'm going to read that out the behavior of the police towards Trevor me and my family since he sustained his lifechanging injuries the failure to look for him when I reported him missing to tell me he was at the police station
03:32:57 to tell me he was at the police station or to investigate what happened to him. the harassment of Trevor and my family afterwards, the spying on my campaign, the exposure of racism in the
03:33:09 the exposure of racism in the Metropolitan Police Service then and since.
03:33:10 since. It all supports our view that Trevor was
03:33:22 It all supports our view that Trevor was assaulted by the police and that we were spied on because of our campaign to expose that Mr. Burke Monaville. Uh is that your view now too? It is my view now
03:33:33 It is my view now and my reason for it has a lot to do with what is written there.
03:33:45 there. And I feel this way and will always feel this way
03:33:50 this way for myself, my family, Trevor's family, my next generation, that unless something concrete happens
03:34:06 happens that I will always have the view that it's got to do with racism. And that's my conclusion of the matter.
03:34:19 And that's my conclusion of the matter. I thank you so much for asking me such a very very questions and I hope I have given a forward answer to how I'm feeling and my whole family is feeling about the matter. Thank you.
03:34:32 Thank you. Thank you very much. I don't have anything more. Very much welcome. Thank you very much, sir.
03:34:43 Thank you very much, sir. Mr. Mrs. Oak Mville, may I thank you sincerely for performing the very difficult task of giving evidence about matters that no family should ever suffer in peace time.
03:35:01 suffer in peace time. Everybody, everybody who has listened to your evidence, I speak, I'm sure, for everybody has been deeply impressed by the calmness and dignity with which you
03:35:18 the calmness and dignity with which you have given it. Thank you for performing a serious and valuable public service. Thank you ever so much, sir. May I take this opportunity also to
03:35:33 May I take this opportunity also to thank everybody in this hearing room for listening to very troubling evidence in the course of today calmly without causing any disturbance.
03:35:45 without causing any disturbance. You have been a model, if I may say so, of what an inquiry hearing audience should be. Thank you. Thank you so much, sir.
03:35:59 Thank you so much, sir. Once again, I thank everyone for having me.
03:36:08 Yes. Um,
03:36:19 Mr. B Monavel doesn't need to be here. Of course. Mr. Burke Mon, you're you're perfectly free to leave. If you would not mind remaining behind, I would not want to leave, sir. If you if you would mind uh remaining behind for a very short time, I would like to say a private personal thanks to you.
03:36:29 you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Can I just state for the record that the um witness statement of
03:36:40 record that the um witness statement of Faith Mason dated the 15th of July of uh this year who is the mother of the um deceased child whose identity was used in part by HN122
03:36:54 in part by HN122 from whom the inquiry heard yesterday has now been published. Yes. Thank you.