Afternoon session of opening statements for Tranche 2 Phase 2 of the Undercover Policing Inquiry, featuring submissions from various counsel representing core participant groups. The session covers statements from the Home Office, families of police violence victims (including Trevor Monerville and Roland Adams families), women deceived into sexual relationships by undercover officers (Category H core participants), and political groups including CND and socialist organizations. Opening statements address institutional racism in policing, sexual misconduct by undercover officers, infiltration of justice campaigns and peace movements, and the role of government and MI5 in authorizing surveillance operations.
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00:19:55 Mr Sheldon I hope I haven't put you out by asking you to start a little earlier than you
00:19:56 than you anticipated not after
00:20:02 so we're grateful for the opportunity to make this brief oral opening statement on behalf of the Secretary of State for the home Department in her capacity as core participant which of course is
00:20:13 core participant which of course is distinct from her role as the sponsor to this
00:20:15 this inquiry as you're aware we've also provided the inquiry with a set of written submissions which we hope will be of assistance to you you will have
00:20:28 be of assistance to you you will have seen from our written submissions of the 21st of June of this year that the then home secretary decided not to make substantive submissions to the inquiry at the outset of phase one of trch 2 on the grounds that to do so would be inappropriate in the period immediately
00:20:45 inappropriate in the period immediately prior to the general election of the 4th of July and so this opening statement and the written submissions that accompany it are intended to address both phase one and phase two trch two uh it is important to record at the
00:20:58 two uh it is important to record at the outset that undercover policing is a Cru crucial tool in tackling serious crime and keeping the public safe however the Home Secretary is apped by the historical allegations under
00:21:09 historical allegations under consideration by your inquiry and considers it vital that we now swiftly get to the truth about what happened and ensure lessons are learned for the
00:21:21 ensure lessons are learned for the future at the outset of the inquiry's evidential hearings in November 2020 the then Home Secretary provided a detailed opening statement that
00:21:32 detailed opening statement that addressed the Genesis of the inquiry the role of the Home Secretary in the home office the Constitutional constitutional and Regulatory framework relating to the home office and policing generally and
00:21:47 home office and policing generally and undercover policing specifically since 1968 and the relationship between the home office and the SDS we've not sought to repeat those matters which we are confident the inquiry will have well in
00:21:58 inquiry will have well in mind the inquiry announced on the 20 of September of this year that the trch 2
00:22:12 September of this year that the trch 2 Phase 2 hearings would be postponed from the 30th of September to today the 14th of October to allow all those involved including the inquiry legal team additional time for Preparation the home office welcomed that decision and notes the importance of ensuring that the inquiries proceedings are conducted fairly and that the court participants are able to
00:22:27 that the court participants are able to provide the inquiry with fully informed representations we Rec recognize the constraints under which the inquiry and core participants are working but not withstanding these constraints the home office has sought to assist the inquiry
00:22:43 office has sought to assist the inquiry with an overview of the legislative and Regulatory framework during the trch 2 period in relation to undercover policing along with some preliminary
00:22:56 policing along with some preliminary observations on the evidence disclosed to date however sir for reasons which you will be well aware of it has not been possible to address the full substance of the trch 2 Phase 2 evidence and the home office respectfully reserves its position as to whether the
00:23:13 reserves its position as to whether the inquiry should afford core participants a further opportunity in due course to make representations on the tranch 2 evidence at some point prior to the conclusion of the trch five hearings in
00:23:23 2026 so I don't propose to take up time this afternoon by going through the legislative and Regulatory framework we've set out in writing but it is important and we would invite you to keep it in mind in particular it is
00:23:42 keep it in mind in particular it is important to note the overarching point that as you recently observed in your note of the 16th of August this year concerning module 3 quotes the arrangements for overseeing undercover policing deployments are now very different from those which obtained in
00:23:56 different from those which obtained in the past that is certainly true prior to the enactment of the regulation of investigatory Powers Act 2000 ripper in October 2000 the use of undercover
00:24:08 October 2000 the use of undercover operatives was not governed by Statute but was instead underpinned by non-statutory Guidance and codes of practice and subject to rules established by case law and other statements of
00:24:25 statements of principle the introduction of the Human Rights Act 1998 Ripper itself and the investigatory Powers Act of 2016 have all fundamentally reformed the legal context in which covert policing
00:24:37 legal context in which covert policing takes place the present position is that all undercover deployments must be authorized at a senior level as both necessary and proportionate to the issue being
00:24:51 being investigated since January 2014 all police deployments of undercover officers must be authorized by an assistant chief constable and notified
00:25:03 assistant chief constable and notified to the investigatory Powers commissioner formerly the office of surveillance Commissioners in addition Chief constables must authorize deployments which last longer than 12 months and seek approval for such deployments from a Judicial commissioner from the
00:25:14 a Judicial commissioner from the investigatory Powers commissioner's office as you know well the level of Authority for Urgent authorizations which expire after 72 hours and less
00:25:26 which expire after 72 hours and less renewed has been raised from inspector to superintendent or equivalent more recently the covert human intelligence sources criminal conduct act
00:25:42 conduct act 2021 has introduced amendments to Ripper providing an explicit statutory regime for the authorization of criminal conduct by covert human intelligence sources such as undercover police officers such authorizations must be for specified purposes and only where
00:25:56 specified purposes and only where necessary proportionate and subject to robust safeguards the covert human intelligence sources Revised Code of practice came into force in December
00:26:08 in December 2022 it replaces the previous code dated August 2018 and reflects the new statutary regime for the authorization of criminal conduct by covert human intelligence sources within Ripper so we've set out the ve in
00:26:22 Ripper so we've set out the ve in writing the very different legislative and Regulatory framework that applied within the tranch 2 period and the short point we wish to emphasize present purposes is that the picture is
00:26:35 purposes is that the picture is dramatically different today to the one you will be considering during this phase of your hearings so if I may I propose to use just the last few minutes remaining to me to make some brief observations about the trch two evidence that we've seen thus
00:26:46 thus far as with tranch one the home office has been following the evidence of the inquiry during the trch 2 evidential hearings with great
00:27:01 hearings with great care the department continues to note in particular any issues arising regarding the home office's role the evidence has demonstrated that
00:27:14 role the evidence has demonstrated that the home office during much of the trch 2 period continued to provide annual authorization of the SDS to the Metropolitan Police it is also apparent that in annual correspondence between the Metropolitan Police and the home office up to
00:27:29 up to 1989 letters from the Metropolitan Police requesting approval of the expenditure provided a highlevel description of the work of the SDS with some brief examples of successes and also provided assurances
00:27:41 successes and also provided assurances again at a high level as to welfare and supervisory Arrangements of SDS officers that were in
00:27:52 that were in place beyond this process of high level update and authorization the evidence seen to date suggests that the level of knowledge on the part of the home office with regards to the operational activity of the SDS was
00:28:05 of the SDS was limited in particular in light of the nature of the relationship between the home off Home Secretary and the police the home office did not seek to direct the work of the SDS nor did it
00:28:19 direct the work of the SDS nor did it monitor the manner in which that work was
00:28:23 was undertaken there is evidence however to suggest that there was an agreement between operational Partners not to inform the home office of concerns pertaining to the actions of some undercover officers due to anxiety that
00:28:41 undercover officers due to anxiety that the department would too closely examine the work of special branch and the nature of SDS
00:28:49 sources right to say though that there is also evidence that on occasion such as in 1986 and 1990 the home office did Express direct interest in the undercover activity of Metropolitan Police service in relation to anti-fascist action and to the
00:29:02 to anti-fascist action and to the activities of extremist animal rights groups following an escalation of their violent activities however in each case we have not seen evidence of any attempt
00:29:19 we have not seen evidence of any attempt on the part of the home office to engage in the operational management of the officers involved in the undercover activity in
00:29:25 question so as you know phase one of TR 2 heard evidence from former undercover officers and relevant civilian Witnesses During the period 1983 to
00:29:38 During the period 1983 to 1992 during the course of that evidence there were from time to time questions relating to or broad references to quotes government Andor government concerns so as you will be well aware Government is made up of numerous
00:29:54 Government is made up of numerous departments with the home office being only one and it follows that the term home office cannot and should not be used as a euphemism or shorthand for government or for the security service or vice versa and we are confident that
00:30:11 or vice versa and we are confident that you and your Council will be vigilant to ensure in this phase of the hearings that when Witnesses make assertions about what government did or did not know or do or approve it is made clear what branch of government is being referred to for these
00:30:24 referred to for these purposes we understand that the TR two Phase 2 hearings will will hear evidence in relation to remaining officers focusing on animal rights deployments
00:30:36 focusing on animal rights deployments managers and relevant civilian Witnesses during that period at the time of providing this opening statement the home office is not aware of any evidence to suggest that the department or any home office
00:30:56 the department or any home office ministers or officials were aware of the deeply Disturbing Behavior and conduct of some undercover police officers in their deployments within the TR tu period namely sexual misconduct the use of aspects of deceased children's
00:31:07 of aspects of deceased children's identities to build cover Legends or the conduct or conduct leading to miscarriages or potential miscarriages of
00:31:12 of Justice on the 3rd of November 2020 at the outset of hearings for this inquiry the then home secretary's opening
00:31:24 the then home secretary's opening statement noted that the 2015 report by Steven Taylor found that during the tranch 2 Peri period a small number of
00:31:35 tranch 2 Peri period a small number of home office officials were aware of some of the specific groups that were targeted by the SDS the type of Intelligence being gathered and detailed operational activity during the years in particular 1983 to
00:31:47 1983 to 1986 he found no evidence however that anybody in the department was aware of the SDS practice of using the identities of deceased children to their
00:31:58 of deceased children to their Legends or of the risk that SDS officers may form sexual relationships with their targets he also found no evidence that
00:32:11 targets he also found no evidence that the home office had any direct knowledge of criminal activity and Court appearances by SDs operatives that could lead to actual or potential miscarriages of
00:32:20 of Justice the home office remains unaware of any evidence to date that would call those findings into question
00:32:34 as for the determination of whether groups or individuals should be regarded as
00:32:35 as subversive the only witness to suggest that the home office had any involvement in determining whether a group or individual was subversive during the
00:32:47 individual was subversive during the tranch 2 Phase 1 hearings was Sir as you will recall hn 78 in his statement dated the 21st of April
00:32:54 April 2022 he stated words to the effect that the home office or home secretary deemed
00:33:06 the home office or home secretary deemed the Socialist Workers Party a subversive organization Andor must have considered the swp appropriate to infiltrate when questioned by Council to the inquiry on the 31st of July 2024 about the basis for this view hn 78 did
00:33:22 about the basis for this view hn 78 did not identify any evidence to support his assertion and nor is the home office aware of any corroborating evidence from other sources we trust that any similar assertions
00:33:36 we trust that any similar assertions that may be made in this phase of the hearings will also be tested just as rigorously for the purposes of determining whether there is any evidence to back them up so let me just conclude by saying that the Home Secretary supports this inquiry's ases and is committed to her
00:33:51 inquiry's ases and is committed to her Department continuing to cooperate fully with its
00:33:52 with its investigations she notes your public commitment to publishing a final report in 2026 and awaits your findings and recommendations with great interest thank you very much sir thank you very
00:34:08 thank you very much sir thank you very much indeed Mr sh thank you um next is uh Miss Quincy Whitaker is she yet ready to make her
00:34:25 submission M whiter good afternoon I owe you an apology um for MISD describing you as Mr Whitaker I do apologize it was unforgivable um despite that I hope I may seek
00:34:38 may seek forgiveness than thank you sir this opening statement is made on behalf of Mr John
00:34:49 behalf of Mr John Mor he is here because undercover police officers from the SS spy on campaign he
00:35:00 officers from the SS spy on campaign he and his family had established to obtain accountability for the mistreatment of his son Trevor in the possy of the Metropolitan Police Trevor was diagnosed with brain damage following his arrest by St unit and police officers on New Year's Day 1987 when he was 19 years old despite
00:35:13 1987 when he was 19 years old despite the page of over 35 years Dre's family still do not know what happened to him that day what they do know is that he disappeared from outside the Nightclub
00:35:33 disappeared from outside the Nightclub at 1:40 a.m. on New Year's Day was found semiconscious and be injured inside a c car by its owner at 10:40 p.m. and was then despite the state he was in arrested by the police for criminal damage to the car and taken into custody on the 2nd of January 1987 the police concealed Trevor's presence in St
00:35:51 police concealed Trevor's presence in St M police station from John B mon when he came looking for him and over the next three days repeatedly prioritized Prosecuting him and imprisoning him over inves tigating who had attacked him and
00:36:04 inves tigating who had attacked him and assuring he received proper Medical Care in the hospitals to which he was admitted for short period after TR was eventually admitted to hospital for emergency surgery to remove a blood flock from his brain a
00:36:16 remove a blood flock from his brain a medical report found evident that he had been beaten multiple times and the charges were dropped against him on the 8th of January 1987 the tror monal campaign was set up shortly afterwards to discover what had
00:36:33 shortly afterwards to discover what had happened to Trevor and to campaign for a public inquiry it bore little fruit instead Trevor and his family were constantly harassed by the police even Mr B morille then 79y old father and 73y old mother were subject to
00:36:48 old mother were subject to harassment Trevor who remained unwell as the result of the brain damage he had suffered was arrested and charged numerous times with criminal offenses during 1987 and
00:36:59 during 1987 and 1988 all char were either discontinued or he was
00:37:00 or he was acquitted in March 1994 Trevor was stabbed 10 times on his way home from a friend's house despite there being
00:37:11 friend's house despite there being several witnesses to the killing no one has ever been brought to Justice in connection with his murder John's Discovery in 2014 that the police had used surveillance on the
00:37:23 police had used surveillance on the Trevor mon campaign during the time when he was trying to find out who was responsible for his son's misre rather than assisted in his attempts to seek answers and redress has intensified the pain and Trauma he and
00:37:37 intensified the pain and Trauma he and his family have suffered in a Lifetime blighted by tragedy Stone warning and the consequences of endemic racism this inquiry represents John's last chance to find some light in the darkness to rescue Hope from where it is
00:37:48 darkness to rescue Hope from where it is shepher John's family has suffered other unspeakable tragedies his son Joseph was shot and killed in February 2013 on hindry Road in
00:37:59 hindry Road in Clapton three individuals were each stand trial in respect of Joseph murder but the prosecution was dropped an investigation conducted following the family's complaints about the police's handling
00:38:14 complaints about the police's handling of the pred investigation concluded that that were there were a number of Bings in June 2019 third of John son David was Fally Saed outside his home in
00:38:30 David was Fally Saed outside his home in North London having been attacked by men H his home the perpetrators were found guilty in December 2020 John believe that the Trevor monal campaign was deliberately targeted by
00:38:42 campaign was deliberately targeted by undercovered police for seeking answers and Justice in respect of police violence racism and Corruption he also believes that racism was responsible for the St agent police officers treatment of his son and the
00:38:54 officers treatment of his son and the harassment of Trevor and the rest of the bable family by St police in the Years following Trevor's arrest the failure to explain what happened to Trevor and the lies about whether he was in custody in ston police station and the failure to
00:39:09 ston police station and the failure to bring the killers of two of his sons to Justice his sincere hope is that the inquiry will achieve three goals for him and for the community of a whole first he to fully and properly investigate
00:39:21 he to fully and properly investigate while he in the Trev monal campaign were targeted for surveillance by the police instead of being assisted in their quest for information and account ility for Trevor's mistreatment in De to stimulate others to come
00:39:35 in De to stimulate others to come forward to provide information about Trevor's contact with police on New Year's Day 1987 and the kills of his
00:39:52 Year's Day 1987 and the kills of his sons Trevor and Joseph he appeals to any witnesses to contact solic burn PE and thirdly to expose racism within the police as the rot tread mats these tragedies and police M together it is his firm belief that racism was at the heart of the police brutality and Corruption that the black
00:40:03 brutality and Corruption that the black community experienced and which many of the people who found themselves participating in this inquiry were fighting to expose it and that racism on laay tarting a black Justice group
00:40:14 laay tarting a black Justice group seeking accountability for such police brutality and corruption in June 2016 John was informed by officers from operation her
00:40:28 informed by officers from operation her that the campaign had been listed in the 1987 SBS annual report as one of the organizations that was directly penetrated or closely monitored during the year
00:40:34 the year under he was informed that operation he could not find any of that intelligence but most likely it was
00:40:49 but most likely it was destroyed the inquiry has disclosed to John a number of intelligence reports strally over nine years the first of which on March 1987 and in it undercover officer stepan SC reported as a leading member of the Hy socialist party had become involved in the organizing Committee of the
00:41:00 in the organizing Committee of the Trevor mon campaign although he noted that she was somewhat isolated due to her color and politics and that the swp had a little influence of the policy or direction of the campaign he noted the
00:41:15 direction of the campaign he noted the family's extreme distress and that the campaign's primary objective was that
00:41:28 campaign's primary objective was that truth and Justice should be entertained by way of the relevant legal processes they will seek public support only in pursuing their objective for exle an independent inquiry not withstanding this assessment of the campaign very early on in its Inception it is clear continue to be
00:41:42 Inception it is clear continue to be sped on for at least the next n years the last intelligence report was in February
00:41:46 February 1996 when it concerned the preparations for the memorial to be held on the second anniversary of Trevor's Death it was reported that the was unlikely John is aware that un the mark Jenner under his cover name mark C had
00:41:59 Jenner under his cover name mark C had infiltrated the memorial that was held by the family on the first anniversary of tr's murder in March 1995 John considers that this was a
00:42:10 1995 John considers that this was a gross violation of his family's privacy his statement describes the pain caused to him that even in death the police did not leave Trevor and their family in
00:42:22 not leave Trevor and their family in peace he believes the spying continued because the police wanted to know if they were getting any closer to finding out what happened at the police station his distress is exacerbated by the evident attitude of the police
00:42:37 the evident attitude of the police towards families such as his and their view which he believes is based on racism that any campaign they've involved in might somehow be a catalyst for
00:42:49 for disorder John is particularly concerned that in this 1996 report for the first time the campaign has been given a special Branch reference number he seeks to understand why after the intervening years which the
00:43:00 years which the campaigned should it suddenly be given the reference number and it been reported from its Inception that the campaign's primary objective was that truth and Justice should be ascertained by way relevant legal
00:43:12 by way relevant legal processes John notes that this report was prepared and reviewed by DCI Keith Edon a few weeks before the Metropolitan Police told the coroner at Trevor's
00:43:24 Police told the coroner at Trevor's resumed inquest that John could not be contacted this was despite him same address and still working in the shop he worked in for 30 years with the result that he was not aware until August
00:43:35 that he was not aware until August 2016 with the inquest into his son's death had been concluded on a single day in
00:43:50 in 1996 John is deeply shocked and saddened by what he considers to be a deplorable and gross double sound whereby covert information is intrusively obtained while there was no communication with the people who mattered most TR and particular concerning the judicial
00:44:05 particular concerning the judicial inquiry into his day it has contributed to the total erosion of this trust in the in addition to the direct intelligence reports John believes there is other clear evidence on which the
00:44:16 is other clear evidence on which the chair should find that the Trevor mon campaign was directly targeted for surveillance by the SDS firstly the Trevor mon campaign is listed as direct are penetrated or closely monitored in the 1987 annual report
00:44:30 report DCI Tony W provided a definition of the word penetrat found within the SBS annual report he explained that one visit to the group was not enough for it to be considered penetrated there had to be repeat reporting or
00:44:44 be repeat reporting or attending John hopes the chair would rigorously investigate the alarming hypothesis Advanced by officers from operation home that it was unlikely the campaign was directly penetrated because they couldn't find any of the
00:44:55 they couldn't find any of the intelligence that related to it and that this entirely untrue assertion was made by senior officers in their
00:45:06 was made by senior officers in their annual report to the H in order to make the SDS sound more important than they were to justify their work presumably this would have been done in order to obtain continued or increased fonding the evidence of DCI docum is that the
00:45:22 the evidence of DCI docum is that the SDS annual reports were designed to set out the justification for the SDS all the this would appear to this and while her were apparently unable to find any intelligence reports relating to the campaign the chair has been able to consider a number of
00:45:34 been able to consider a number of reports demonstrating that contined to be reported on for nine years and which were not available to operation home when its officers provide their startling
00:45:47 startling explanation John considers as in putting forward this explanation the MPS will deliberately attempting to minimize the SBS targeting of the campaign and the racism behind that targeting and they
00:46:00 racism behind that targeting and they have done throughout all the significant EV that he has recounted John's concerned as to why his family had been targeted was dismissed without
00:46:08 without investigation he believes that the explanation proped by operation Hearn officers was merely another instance of The NPS endeavoring to control The Narrative of event those to avoid
00:46:22 Narrative of event those to avoid scrutiny and accountability for the racism would underlay secondly the absence of any evidence of public order or infiltration by extremist justification in the report
00:46:37 by extremist justification in the report the only reference to public disorder in any report relating to the campaign is that it is unlikely The NPS have accepted that no public order justification the spying on campaigns such as that of the bur M can be legitimately relied upon reporting on
00:46:50 be legitimately relied upon reporting on Justice and anti- racis and groups impos no criminal or public or thre should not Ur and they tell us would not Ur today
00:47:04 Ur and they tell us would not Ur today simly there are no intelligence reports indicating any infiltration by leing extremes the fact that the campaign contined to be spied on for the next nine years provides strong evidence that it was directly
00:47:15 it was directly T and thirdly the practice of The NPS of reporting on anti-racist and police accountability groups in general the inquiry has received multiple sources of incontrovertible evidence that the SS
00:47:27 incontrovertible evidence that the SS targeted groups campaign Against Racism and for justice and police accountability The NPS has acknowledged the indefensa of this discriminatory
00:47:40 the indefensa of this discriminatory policing and its enduring problem of racism where therefore there is no public order or infiltration by extremist justification and The NPS and institutionally racist organization can be shown to exhibit an obsessive interest in any group seed to be anti
00:47:55 interest in any group seed to be anti why would the F mon campaign not have been directly f the only explanation for the spying on the campaign is like so many of the other nonstate participants to this
00:48:07 other nonstate participants to this inquiry because John and his family were black people Seeking Justice and accountability police brutality to their L one which in the view of the SDS senior officers made them suspect as anti- police and worthy of s them
00:48:20 anti- police and worthy of s them acceptance of this fact leads to the clear conclusion that the campaign was highly likely be a direct Target the SDS for this very reason turning to the Spy and police
00:48:35 reason turning to the Spy and police accountability groups generally the core aspect of the inquiry's remit is to examine the motivation for the under police operations and the chair has acknowledged that he must examine the
00:48:46 acknowledged that he must examine the possibility that the deployment of black Justice groups were influenced by conscious or unconscious racism John urges the chair recognize that racism as a motivation must be at the heart of his investigation he Jo
00:48:59 the heart of his investigation he Jo with the many other po participants who have given and will give evidence to this inquiry of their lived experience of racism by the Met Police Service to exort the chair to recognize the fundamental role which the issue of racism played in the targeting of the
00:49:15 racism played in the targeting of the SDS other nonstate for participants this inquiry have set out in detail the evidence of the history of the SDS demonstrating that almost from its
00:49:26 demonstrating that almost from its Inception is embarked upon the sustained and wide ranging infiltration of black Poli and social justice groups and in particular black groups campaigning for accountability of police brutality racism and Corruption the extent of the fds
00:49:40 Corruption the extent of the fds penetration and material revealed by the inquiry demonstrates police justification of collateral intrusion is not table The NPS itself has acknowledged that spying on the anti-racism campaigns which were
00:49:52 anti-racism campaigns which were attempting to hold the NPS itself accountable the way in which it policed those communities was particularly indispensible it what clear be understood as an acknowledgement of the role that racism played in the
00:50:05 role that racism played in the surveillance of such campaigns such as the bir mon The NPS that such reporting was except that such reporting was discriminatory and unacceptable mpal
00:50:16 discriminatory and unacceptable mpal policing the documents show the nps's wide ranging mistrust of any group that seeks accountability for police this cond all swept out under the rubric of being anti- police which of itself is
00:50:32 being anti- police which of itself is considered a reason to sty those groups it strawbery in 1983 police accountability report provides insight into the mindset including for instance
00:50:47 into the mindset including for instance groups such as the charity release mely because in light of their libertarian views they can have little natural Sympathy for the in 1984 the home office released the new special Branch terms of reference directing Chief offices that it is not the function of special grants to
00:51:01 the function of special grants to investigate individuals and groups nearly because their policies are unpalatable or because they're highly CRI the police or because they want to transform the present system of police accountability however it is evident
00:51:15 accountability however it is evident that the SDS routinely contined the deat to investigate individuals in groups precisely because they're highly crial police because they want to transform the present system of police
00:51:26 the present system of police accountability which must have been EV to the home from the annual report This Is Not Mere institutional p paranor is the manifestation of the deep
00:51:37 paranor is the manifestation of the deep rooted tendency built into the fabric of The NPS to cover up its wrongdoing and
00:51:50 The NPS to cover up its wrongdoing and avoid accountabilities for communities itself as institutional as the racism with which it play these groups were deliberately targeted in order to undermine them and their objective this core aversion to accountability and scrutiny is intertwined with the emic racist attitudes and assumptions evidenced by
00:52:04 attitudes and assumptions evidenced by SDS officers to view those groups from the black community with particular suspicion opposition to racism would of itself considered po subersive John believes that the
00:52:16 subersive John believes that the motivation of the police that he desired to derail and discredit Theon campaign attempt to bring to life racist police brutality and harassment as been other Justice groups that were targeted The
00:52:29 Justice groups that were targeted The NPS acknowledges that the fact that such BS were reported on was a critical failure on the part of the special Branch
00:52:34 Branch manages police accountability groups were directly monitored so that the NPS could find out information that could be used to discredit legitimate campaigns
00:52:46 used to discredit legitimate campaigns and undermine their attempts to expose police
00:52:47 police wrongdoing in John B Mon's case this tactic took the form of dismissing and ignoring his legitimate concerns in
00:52:58 ignoring his legitimate concerns in April 1987 Chief superintendent pet publicly apologized to joh for the failure to tell him Trevor was being held in St into police station and then started the narrative that's continued to be adopted by the SDS in with inquiry
00:53:12 to be adopted by the SDS in with inquiry that he was concerned that the situation was being manipulated by agitated at the same time however The NPS were refusing to release Trevor's Cod family so they could be bur to
00:53:23 Cod family so they could be bur to contest The NPS chose not to use its result is to investigate the corruption
00:53:34 result is to investigate the corruption racism misconduct that group such Trevor campaign specifically in relation to police officers were seeking to highlight but chose to spy them instead have they engaged in meaningful dialogue the spirous reported public order justification could easily have been
00:53:45 justification could easily have been addressed by direct communication and without invasive intrusion in the huge waste of resources deploying undercover officers in his role over decades it could also transformed R's policing
00:53:58 could also transformed R's policing saving years of significant trauma for many black families in London including the
00:54:04 the black the research by the public policy Studies Institute funded by The NPS the same year produced it relas accountability rep provides incontrovertible cont evidence of the
00:54:20 incontrovertible cont evidence of the emic racism that permeated The NPS the use of racist language and racial Prejudice amongst police officers in areas with substantial eff minority populations was found to be prominent
00:54:31 populations was found to be prominent and pervasive the authors observed the use of Cl derogatory racial terms of abuse of standard practice among NPS officers including in public and on police radio and found that racist
00:54:43 police radio and found that racist language and Prejudice were on the whole expected accepted and even fashionable they concluded that could be few other
00:54:57 they concluded that could be few other groups other than the met in which did normal habitual automatic to refer to black people as Queens n and so on noting that when a police officer started on the line of racist tour no one in the group ever exclusively opposed their views or made the opposer feel as though he spoken
00:55:11 feel as though he spoken in the end have acknowledged the corrosive effect this Ty of discriminatory policing has public trust and excepts that racism and discrimination remain enduring challenge
00:55:23 discrimination remain enduring challenge within Baron casy's recent review of the continues to be institutionally racist the chair will consider in module three the recommendations that should be made for the future John V mon were asked to put before the inquire in that stage
00:55:37 put before the inquire in that stage evidence that goes to the two key issues that spine on his family and other campaigns invade racism continuing to infect the NDS and the wholesale failure of the process of police
00:55:51 of the process of police accountability and just in conclusion Mr gille's hopes will the inquir Mr gille has a profound need to discover the truth he States I feel a responsibility to my sons myself my
00:56:05 responsibility to my sons myself my family and my community to ensure that this inquiry comes through with some sort of answers about why we were SPI on by the police we have not been told the truth by anybody in Authority about
00:56:17 truth by anybody in Authority about anything or alone I have no reason to be hopeful about this inquiry no one in Authority has given me that but I do remain hopeful it is though my last hope
00:56:29 remain hopeful it is though my last hope and I am tired I don't want my surviving children grandchildren and great grandchildren to go through what we are going
00:56:34 going through Mr bille and his family have been truly failed by the Metropolitan Police Service in so many ways he's experienced enormous personal tragedy
00:56:47 experienced enormous personal tragedy which he has born with immense strength and dignity he hopes he will not be failed by the inquiry when he search for the truth at this last opportunity thank you
00:56:58 yeah thank you very much
00:57:09 indeed next I think is uh Rajiv Menan King's Council for Richard Adams good afternoon sir can I just check that you can hear me clearly I can hear you very clearly I'm
00:57:27 hear you very clearly I'm grateful one of the defining features of British policing in the last 50 plus years has been its racism a racism
00:57:39 years has been its racism a racism institutionalized within the structures systems policies practices and culture of British policing a racism that has manifested itself in a multitude of different ways including one the over
00:57:50 different ways including one the over policing harassment Mal treatment and stereotyping of ethnic minority communities two the racially discriminatory use of stop and search powers
00:57:56 powers three the failure to protect ethnic minority communities from racist crime four the excessive and disproportionate use of force against ethnic minority
00:58:10 use of force against ethnic minority communities five the woefully inadequate response to racist attacks six the deliberate deracialization of racist crime seven
00:58:22 deracialization of racist crime seven the criminalization of victims of racist attacks as suspects and perpetrators eight the racially dis disproportionate number of deaths in police custody and nine the
00:58:37 police custody and nine the weaponization of immigration law against ethnic minority communities Asylum Seekers and refugees where then does This Racist policing originate how has it come to be so thoroughly embedded in our policing institutions a quick look at the
00:58:52 institutions a quick look at the historical record provides at least one answer a significant number of senior and Ranken police officers notably after the second world war had previously been Colonial police officers in India Salon
00:59:15 Colonial police officers in India Salon Malaya South Africa Cyprus Palestine and elsewhere during the 20th century most Metropolitan Police Commissioners and many other senior officers had backgrounds in colonial or military policing including Sir John Waldren and Peter Brody commissioner and assistant commissioner respectively in 1968 when
00:59:30 commissioner respectively in 1968 when the Special Operation Squad which later became the special demonstration Squad was set up who both served in salon and Sir Kenneth new Newman Chief Constable of the world aler constabulary in
00:59:47 of the world aler constabulary in Northern Ireland from 1976 to 1980 and commissioner from 1982 to 1987 who served in
00:59:51 served in Palestine Colonial policing across the British Empire was characterized by racism brutality and accountability Colonial police officers enforced racially discriminatory and authoritarian laws they had paramilitary
01:00:06 authoritarian laws they had paramilitary training and Draconian Powers which they used often with impunity they were rarely have ever held to account for abuses of those Powers undercover surveillance crowd control and torture
01:00:20 surveillance crowd control and torture were commonplace order trumped law any challenge to British rule or British economic interests was sedition in the circum ances it is hardly surprising
01:00:33 circum ances it is hardly surprising that Colonial police officers returning home to join the police in Britain brought with them the racialized practices and political attitudes of colonial policing during the 1980s
01:00:49 colonial policing during the 1980s racist policing was arguably at its peak given the racial inequality in British society and the role of the police in enforcing that inequality through racially differential political policing the inner city rebellions of 1981 and 19 1985 at least in part sparked off by violent public order
01:01:03 sparked off by violent public order policing were Stark examples of that growing racial Divine sir Kenneth Newman's reign as Metropolitan Police Commissioner was a particularly Grim time given his persistent targeting and blaming of the black community and
01:01:14 blaming of the black community and specifically young black people for their opposition to racist policing and for the deterioration of public confidence in the police but what about undercover policing did undercover police in
01:01:29 policing did undercover police in miraculously managed to avoid being tarnished by the scourge of racism absolutely not it is inconceivable that undercover policing was not blighted by the same racism that blighted every
01:01:40 the same racism that blighted every other area of policing and yet this inquiry has barely considered the impact of racism on undercover policing thus far and risks merely reproducing this
01:01:54 far and risks merely reproducing this blight that with all due respect must end now the racist murder of Roland Adams and the racist attack on Nathan Adams in February 1991 and the subsequent police spying on The Adams Family and their supporters
01:02:08 The Adams Family and their supporters provide an ideal focal point for this inquiry to address at long last the impact of racism undercover policing and the failure of the undercover police to
01:02:24 the failure of the undercover police to recognize or tackle the threat posed by the farri and racist criminal groups they also raise important questions about police corruption and police involvement in organized crime Roland was not killed in a vacuum his murder was the tragic culmination of a decade of increasing racist and fascist
01:02:36 of increasing racist and fascist violence in southeast London racist murders had become an almost annual atrocity the increase in racist violence coincided with the fascist BR British
01:02:49 coincided with the fascist BR British national party moving its headquarters to nearby Welling in 1989 the police including the undercover police had failed to comeb back these crimes in a meaningful way indeed for
01:03:02 crimes in a meaningful way indeed for many in the black community the police were very much part of the problem as opposed to a part of the solution in 1991 Richard and Audrey Adams and their three children Roland
01:03:14 Adams and their three children Roland aged 15 Nathan aged 14 and Lauren aged 6 lived in Abbeywood Southeast London Richard was a station supervisor at black FR station Audrey was a pensions
01:03:25 black FR station Audrey was a pensions manager at the London bough of lean an exceptional woman she was so Keen to give evidence to this inquiry and tell her story but sadly passed away in February this year could we please have
01:03:41 February this year could we please have the photo of The Adams Family of Richard Nathan Lauren and Roland taken in 1988 on the screen
01:03:54 please I'm grateful on the 20 1st of February 1991 Rolan and Nathan played table
01:04:07 1991 Rolan and Nathan played table tennis at hawksmore youth club in nearby thems me they left the club and waited at the bus stop to go home a gang of about 12 to 15 White youths saw them and chased them some shouting racist abuse almost immediately Roland was fatally
01:04:25 almost immediately Roland was fatally stabbed in the throat with a butterfly knife he started to run shouting at Nathan to run two that is how they became separated Nathan was chased around themy but managed to escape when he returned to the scene he found his brother
01:04:35 brother dying Roland and natham were not the first black boys to be brutally attacked in the area several others had been
01:04:48 in the area several others had been hospitalized in the months leading up to Roland's tragic murder there had been a dramatic increase in racist attacks in the area um in recent years this has been well documented by amongst others a local community group Greenwich action
01:04:59 local community group Greenwich action committee against racial attacks gakara and also by Greenwich council's Racial equality committee the attack on Roland and Nathan brought to a head simmering racial tensions and violence as the attackers were amongst those who had
01:05:10 attackers were amongst those who had been regularly terrorizing the local black community some called themselves the Nazi turnouts nto a group also described as the KKK or the goldfish
01:05:22 described as the KKK or the goldfish gang and identified by some as something of a brsh National Party youth group The nto used to congregate outside the off license next to the wild Fowler Pub
01:05:35 license next to the wild Fowler Pub which was near the hawksmore youth club The wildf Pub was a well-known meeting point for BMP members and a local Center for drug
01:05:46 for drug dealing after Roland's murder it came to light that a youth leader of the hawksmore youth club had become increasingly worried about increasing racist violence in the area in the months prior to L Roland's Murder She
01:05:57 months prior to L Roland's Murder She had raised the matter with the police police and Greenwich Council however neither had taken appropriate action Richard Adams believes with good cause that had there been effective policing of these earlier attacks and had the threat posed by the BP and
01:06:08 had the threat posed by the BP and racist criminal groups been recognized and tackled the attack on his sons might have been prevented as it was the attackers were already known to the police so it was easy for the police to
01:06:30 police so it was easy for the police to identify and arrest them however most of them were bailed and continued to cause problems from the very outset neither the police nor the crown prosecution service would accept that Roland's murder was racially motivated they deracialized the crime and mischaracterized it as a fight over territory this has been an age-old problem that victims of racist crime
01:06:42 problem that victims of racist crime have had to endure namely a refusal by
01:06:53 have had to endure namely a refusal by the police and other public authorities to recognize the racist racist motives and intentions of racist perpetrators the police branded Roland and Nathan with the racist stereotype that black boys cannot be innocent Nathan was Ill treated by the police although he too
01:07:04 treated by the police although he too was attacked nobody was ever prosecuted for assaulting him within weeks of Roland's murder and for the first time in his life Nathan started getting harassed and criminalized by the police
01:07:17 harassed and criminalized by the police he was regularly stopped and searched in the street he was detained and charged he was told that he was banned from going to Tams me of the white youths arrested for Roland's murder only Mark thornbro was charged with murder he stood trial and was convicted despite
01:07:32 stood trial and was convicted despite the prosecution deracialized Roland's murder the trial judge summed up the case on the basis that the murder was racially motivated and sentenced Mark thornber accordingly this was the first official recognition by the state that
01:07:43 official recognition by the state that the murder of Rolan Adams was a racist attack given the general willingness of the police and the CPS to use the principles of joint Enterprise to prosecute as many members of a group as
01:07:56 prosecute as many members of a group as possible on the B that they assisted or encouraged violence why did such willingness dissipate when it came to the prosecution of the racists who murdered Roland the failure to prosecute any of the other attackers with murder is
01:08:13 is indefensible after Roland's murder and in the face of a lack of support from the police and the local Authority Audrey and Richard together with relatives and Friends formed the r in Adams Family campaign to secure Justice for Roland over the years the family campaign grew reaching out to other
01:08:24 campaign grew reaching out to other victims of racis violence and racism it also played an integral part in efforts to shut down the BNP headquarters and Bookshop in wellow maybe Mark thorra trial judge learned something about the
01:08:38 trial judge learned something about the true nature of Roland's murder from the efforts of the family campaign could we please have at this stage the uh leaflet of the Roland Adams Family campaign on the
01:08:53 screen thank you this is one of many leaflets produced by the Roland Adams Family campaign this one advertising a march on this 27th of April 1991 from
01:09:08 march on this 27th of April 1991 from hawksmore youth club in themm I'm not going to read out the entire leaflet serve because of the time I've been allotted but you'll note the the headlines Unity is strength nothing can stop us from walking the streets and the struggle
01:09:16 struggle continues thank you that leafl can be taken down the police were hostile to the family campaign for months after
01:09:27 the family campaign for months after roll murder the Police Stopped friends and relatives who came to visit the family never explaining why Richard Adams remembers the family liaison officer PC Fischer visiting the family home unannounced showing empathy that
01:09:41 home unannounced showing empathy that did not feel real and trying to tease out information from the family meanwhile The Adams Family were receiving threatening calls with some callers gloating about Roland's murder they were getting harassed as were their friends and relatives so bad was the
01:09:55 friends and relatives so bad was the harassment and so absent was any police protection that The Adams Family were advised by the local Authority and the local commission for racial equality that they were in danger they were told to leave their home that night this they did just three months after Roland's
01:10:07 did just three months after Roland's murder and whilst they were still in Dreadful shock and mourning The Adams Family asked the inquir to consider whether if undercover police activity had been focused on the racists and not
01:10:23 had been focused on the racists and not on themselves the family could have been kept safe in the 33 years since Roland was murdered by racists on the street stre of London the pain grief and anger of The Adams Family have not diminished they are angry that only one of Roland's Killers was prosecuted and convicted of murder with four others given community
01:10:35 murder with four others given community service for minor public order offenses they are angry at the culture of denial that has seen Roland's racist murder largely airbrushed from history they are angry about today's knife crime crisis
01:10:48 angry about today's knife crime crisis that they believe is a manifestation of the police targeting black youths in the aftermath of increasing racist violence in the 1980s and
01:11:00 in the 1980s and 1990s they feel let down by the police the justice system and politicians they believe that if the police had taken decisive action following Roland's murder to tackle racist violence in the area if the police had turned their intelligence
01:11:12 police had turned their intelligence gathering away from them and onto the racists it is possible that the police could have prevented other racist attacks and murders in the area they asked whether for instance the life of
01:11:23 asked whether for instance the life of rth dugall murdered in a racist attack in July 1992 could have been saved they asked whether for instance the racist
01:11:37 asked whether for instance the racist murder of Steven Lawrence and the racist attack on Dwayne Brooks in April 1993 which happened in very similar circumstances just a few miles away in Elam could have been prevented and whilst they note that there have been
01:11:51 whilst they note that there have been some advances since the 1990s and racism is taken more seriously in some circles now than it was then they believe that institutional racism remains endemic in our society and that there remains a toxic culture of racism one that is more covert and sophisticated than it was 30
01:12:04 covert and sophisticated than it was 30 or 40 years ago it is a culture that is even more ominous when it is the culture of those who have power over us such as the police operating undercover and hidden from public scrutiny Richard
01:12:19 hidden from public scrutiny Richard Adams demands an explanation as to why the police spied on his family given they were parents who had lost a child and were law-abiding citizens who simply wanted Justice for their murdered son
01:12:35 wanted Justice for their murdered son whether the family campaign was directly targeted for infiltration by the police or indirectly targeted because of its association with other anti-racist groups is neither here nor there we trust that the inquiry will not be distracted by this red herring the family of a young boy murdered in a
01:12:46 family of a young boy murdered in a racist attack who posed absolutely no threat to public order should never have been spied on by undercover officers it is disgraceful that were Richard
01:12:57 is disgraceful that were Richard questions whether the police would spy on a white family in similar circumstances Richard would like to add that he and Audrey Long believed that they were spied on over the years they
01:13:08 they were spied on over the years they had taken steps to limit the intrusion for example they stopped using the landlines they thought were buged they had nothing to hide but they had that privacy to protect when they raised the matter with several agencies they were made to feel as if they were paranoid
01:13:19 made to feel as if they were paranoid and stupid confirmation of their fears leaned them to ask on whose side is the criminal justice system they want answers just as much as the
01:13:30 they want answers just as much as the inquiry wants answers they want to know why the SDS was spying on them and not infiltrating racist criminal groups in
01:13:42 infiltrating racist criminal groups in southeast London given these groups were a clear and obvious public order threat extremely violent subversive and politically dangerous as Richard Adams States in his heartbreaking and thoughtful witness statement which we
01:13:53 thoughtful witness statement which we commend to the inquiry Roland was in his words quote slaughtered by racist Society end quote we must never forget that further go furthermore we must never forget that the treatment of The Adams Family by the police and the
01:14:09 Adams Family by the police and the prosecuting authorities is emblematic of how our criminal justice system can demon humanize black people and black families that it should include undercover surveillance of the family of a boy murdered in a racist attack
01:14:20 a boy murdered in a racist attack heightens the urgency of this inquiry unequivocally condemning the police for spying and The Adams Family we note the Metropolitan Police Services belated
01:14:31 Metropolitan Police Services belated apology today to The Adams Family for the indefensible scrutiny into their lives we welcome the apology even though it is more than 30 years late and remains to be given to the family
01:14:43 remains to be given to the family personally we invite the Metropolitan Police Service to give the apology substance by urgently disclosing any information about the undercover policing or lack of it of racist
01:14:54 policing or lack of it of racist criminal groups in southeast London in the 1980s and 1990s and about any use made of information gathered by police
01:15:05 made of information gathered by police officers purporting to support The Adams Family in their time of bereavement in conclusion sir having considered the limited disclosure that they have been provided by the inquiry The Adams Family are puzzled and angry that they know little more now about the nature and
01:15:17 little more now about the nature and extent of the undercover police spying on them than they did when granted core participant status in 2019 they are puzzled and angry that the inquiry appears uninterested in
01:15:31 inquiry appears uninterested in investigating the nature and extent of undercover police spying on racist criminal groups in southeast London
01:15:42 criminal groups in southeast London given it was members of One such group who killed Roland and attacked Nathan they are puzzled and angry that the inquiry to date has refused to investigate the use of information obtained about the family by their family liaison officer even though the inquiry has accepted that such an
01:15:57 inquiry has accepted that such an abusive status can fall within its terms of reference they are puzzled and angry that the inquiry has only called one undercover officer in an open hearing who infiltrated the far right namely hn 56 and he for some inexplicable reason was deployed to infiltrate a largely
01:16:10 was deployed to infiltrate a largely inactive BMP branch in Lon Essex they are puzzled and angry that they are none the wiser about the nature and extent of undercover policing of the far right
01:16:21 undercover policing of the far right more generally and will remain none the wiser given this is apparently to be considered in secret hearing hearings from which they all other non-state core participants and the public are excluded and given the inquiry has thus far
01:16:34 and given the inquiry has thus far forbidden any questions being asked of any police witness in open hearings about the nature and extent of police spying on the far right they are puzzled and angry that the inquiry has not
01:16:48 and angry that the inquiry has not provided any adequate explanation as to why such an extraordinary course of action is being taken in what is supposed to be a public in inquiry into undercover policing on behalf of The Adams Family we ask the inquiry to reconsider its approach to the
01:17:03 reconsider its approach to the undercover policing of the far-right and racist criminal groups and provide the non-state Corp participants with a proper explanation for all this secrecy otherwise effective participation in the inquiry is being denied thank
01:17:21 inquiry is being denied thank you thank you very much um May I make two observations to you and to the family that you represent one observation to you and to them and then another another matter entirely
01:17:33 um as the inquiry has
01:17:42 stated right-wing groups were the subject of infiltration by uh the undercover police unit uh between the 1980s and the closure of the unit
01:18:00 however for reasons that I would hope would be obvious to those that you
01:18:09 represent those deployments have got to be considered in closed
01:18:22 session I'm not asking for a response to that I've heard what you said but I want those behind you in particular to understand um the the reason
01:18:32 understand um the the reason for the inquiries approach the second is concerns another matter entirely I know you have another opening submission to make to me tomorrow on behalf of a separate group um could I ask you to reconsider paragraph 8 of that submission that written submission when I believe you have made a mistaken
01:18:45 I believe you have made a mistaken identification I will look at that um overnight sir yes and I I won't respond to the the point about the F right you know what our submissions on that are
01:18:56 know what our submissions on that are and um um I don't think I need to repeat them no indeed not no your position is very clearly stated I hope that um those behind you understand um the position of the
01:19:07 understand um the position of the inquiry which I have repeated on a number of occasion now but thank you very much indeed for the economy with which you've made your opening submissions I'm grateful to you thank
01:19:28 submissions I'm grateful to you thank you um The Time Is Now 10 to uh 3 uh we will resume I hope at 5 3 uh with uh Charlotte Kilroy for the category H
01:19:53 participants
01:35:52 e e
01:36:37 Miss Gilroy
01:36:42 Gilroy sir I appear on behalf of the category H called
01:36:44 called participants they are women who were deceived into sexual Relationships by undercover officers there is evidence before this inquiry that at least 17 women were
01:36:58 inquiry that at least 17 women were victims of this abuse in the 10-year period between 1983 and 1992 the true number is likely to be
01:37:10 1992 the true number is likely to be higher two of these women be and Jenny gave evidence in July about being deceived into sexual Relationships by Trevor
01:37:16 Trevor Morris today I'm going to focus on what happened to four more women their names are Linda Harvey Helen steel Denise
01:37:30 are Linda Harvey Helen steel Denise Fuller and a woman known to this inquiry as
01:37:34 as Jessica they are due to give evidence in November December and January the officers who abused them are Bob Lambert John dyes Andy Kohl's and hn1 cover name Matt
01:37:49 hn1 cover name Matt rer I will also set out some key questions which the cat H core participants consider the inquiry must investigate an answer this is in order to identify all
01:38:01 answer this is in order to identify all the factors which underly the misconduct of these
01:38:02 of these officers only in this way will it be possible to ensure that the abuse and damage which these women have suffered will never be
01:38:13 will never be repeated the category H call participants have produced a written opening which addresses these issues in more
01:38:24 more detail so so as you've already heard this morning married 32-year-old undercover officer Bob Lambert had sexual relationships with at least four women during his deployment for the
01:38:38 women during his deployment for the SDS he made one of them Jackie pregnant and in 1987 had a child with her TBS it was after this that he started a relationship with 24-year-old Belinda
01:38:55 relationship with 24-year-old Belinda Harvey Belinda was not an activist or a m M of any group in which the SDS was interested she wanted a career and family and had a job at the electricity board after they met at a party in April 1987 Lambert kissed her the same night
01:39:10 1987 Lambert kissed her the same night and there immediately followed a Cascade of romantic letters and gestures within days their sexual relationship had begun he repeatedly declared his love for her and made her believe she had
01:39:24 for her and made her believe she had found the man she would spend the rest of her life with because he appeared to be such a committed anti- capitalist and animal rights activist she altered the way she lived to fit him she drifted away from
01:39:40 lived to fit him she drifted away from her non-activist friends and abandoned her plans to be an accountant he encouraged this he even invoked his pretend views on animal
01:39:51 invoked his pretend views on animal rights to dissuade her from buying a flat above a fried chicken shop for almost two years he carefully
01:40:06 for almost two years he carefully nurtured her passion for him playing the part of a devoted lover including with holidays and visits to friends and families but in December 1988 Bob said he had to go on the run
01:40:18 1988 Bob said he had to go on the run from the police to Spain and that it was too dangerous for her to come too he then disappeared from her life forever she initially collapsed from the heartbreak and then continued to hope that Bob would send for her or
01:40:32 that Bob would send for her or return it took 20 years before she found out all this was a line for the last decade she has had to face the pain and Trauma of knowing that Lambert literally played with
01:40:45 Lambert literally played with her he conjured in her that most sacred of human feelings love and trampled on it he treated her personal life like a Fant to see game World in which he could pull strings and press levers and see
01:40:59 pull strings and press levers and see what happened satisfy his own emotional and sexual desires and then exit when he had finished
01:41:11 had finished play he did all this with SDS managers looking
01:41:17 looking on they knew he had made another woman pregnant while undercover and that he had had a baby and they still did nothing to stop his relationship with Belinda which they also knew about it is clear that for the
01:41:28 about it is clear that for the Metropolitan Police and SDS management as for Lambert Belinda's life and body had little value she was a price worth paying to maintain the SDS and to humor
01:41:44 paying to maintain the SDS and to humor the whims of a man who mattered far more than she
01:41:46 than she did in
01:41:48 did in 1987 Lambert's close SDS colleague 32-year-old married undercover officer John dmes befriended environmental and
01:42:03 John dmes befriended environmental and social justice campaigner Helen steel it appears that Lambert suggested Helen as a
01:42:04 a Target at 22 she was 10 years D's Junior despite her youth he conceived a plan to seduce her dines believed that a
01:42:15 plan to seduce her dines believed that a long-term sexual relationship with Helen would bring a range of benefits it would
01:42:26 would bring a range of benefits it would make it easier to obtain information and infiltrate various groups it would also enhance his status and career in the SDS dines mounted an elaborate campaign over several months he offered her lifs
01:42:40 over several months he offered her lifs home in his van dropping her off last he told Helen both his parents had died when in fact they were still alive and even pretended to go to his mother's
01:42:51 even pretended to go to his mother's funeral Dian staged his own arrest to gain her sympathy once she had finally succumbed to his advances in May 1990 he bombarded her with love notes using some of the
01:43:03 with love notes using some of the tactics honed by Lambert he spent the next two years doing everything in his power to cause her to fall deeply in love he told her constantly that he loved her he discussed buying a home
01:43:15 loved her he discussed buying a home having children and spending the rest of their lives together they lived together for a year she believed she had found
01:43:30 for a year she believed she had found her soulmate and that they had an idilic life he now tells this inquiry that he did all this solely to gather intelligence and that back office knew he also says he had to make her
01:43:41 knew he also says he had to make her have feelings for him although in fact as he puts it he didn't give a rats his support for her during the
01:43:54 rats his support for her during the grueling M liel proceedings was no more than a ploy to gather privileged legal information D's cruelty did not end there when the end of his deployment approached he started to claim that he was having a mental breakdown What followed was a drawn out
01:44:07 breakdown What followed was a drawn out process of repeatedly leaving Helen and then reappearing in her life once again professing deep love and commitment he continued in this erratic
01:44:20 commitment he continued in this erratic pattern even after his deployment ended in December 1991 before finally disappearing forever in what seemed to be a distressed state to what he said with South Africa in Spring
01:44:32 Spring 1992 Helen was extremely distressed and spent years looking for him she did that because she believed his State of Mind might have led him to some
01:44:46 might have led him to some harm her attempts to find him came so close that Dyan sought the SS's assistance they went so far as to move
01:44:58 assistance they went so far as to move him and his his family to Australia but they took no steps at all to protect Helen or compensate her for din's abuse that abuse has continued with D's evidence to this
01:45:12 evidence to this inquiry not only does he assert without shame that he only entered the relationship to gather intelligence he also demonstrates No
01:45:25 intelligence he also demonstrates No Remorse at all for his treatment of Mel indeed he is proud of it he has filled his statement with personal insults against her and malevolent false allegations it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that his evidence is designed to wound her still
01:45:40 designed to wound her still further how a man with so little empathy for other human beings and so much hatred for women came to be let loose on the British public is a matter of grave concern it merits close examination
01:45:56 sir D's unabashed cruelty is matched only by his towering cowardice he has refused to give oral evidence to this inquiry both for that and for his conduct he deserves
01:46:14 conduct he deserves contempt Helen thought her relationship with dines was based on love mutual respect shared values and common interests discovering that the person she loved and thought she knew best
01:46:25 she loved and thought she knew best didn't actually exist was a profoundly disabling experience and permanently harmed her ability to trust others and even her own
01:46:36 judgment married undercover police officer Matt rer as he was known considered the SDS the crown jewels of
01:46:53 considered the SDS the crown jewels of policing and joining it a badge of honor his view was that to quote him no code of conduct could substitute for the sound judgment and integrity of individual officers he says he was actively encouraged to build relationships and an authentic Persona that would endure for a period of
01:47:04 a period of years accordingly he had a relationship with Denise Fuller for over a year Raina states that his managers were aware of
01:47:16 states that his managers were aware of the relationship and did not tell him to stop Denise has significant health concerns Raina used them as a way of gaining her affections after a particularly
01:47:29 affections after a particularly challenging time in her life he came to her house to comfort her his sarcastic reports about this time to his colleagues reveal his true attitude but Denise believed in his
01:47:43 attitude but Denise believed in his sincerity shortly afterwards they began a sexual
01:47:45 a sexual relationship he says he discussed it with Lambert and that Lambert described it as a
01:47:53 it as a test the sexual relation relationship lasted well over a year until 1995 and involved them spending three or
01:48:04 1995 and involved them spending three or four nights a week together going to the theater the cinema taking walks on the Heath with him Denise became more involved in activism than she otherwise would Raina reported continuously on Denise before during and after their
01:48:19 Denise before during and after their relationship she describes him as being jubilant about the access to other activists which the relation ship gave him he accepts that the relationship counted doubts about his credibility Denise ended the
01:48:34 credibility Denise ended the relationship when she went to University Raina tried to rekindle it Raina has succeeded in concealing his real name from both Denise and the public his ability to maintain privacy
01:48:45 public his ability to maintain privacy for himself when with the knowledge of SDS managers and others he tricked his way into the most private party of her
01:48:56 way into the most private party of her life and defiled her bodily Integrity is a continuing Injustice to her it has worsened the already severe impact which raina's conduct and the pressure of engaging with the inquiry has had on Denise's
01:49:16 Denise's well-being it emphasizes that her rights come second to reers even when she has been the victim of a wrongdoing as serious as this when he was 32 but posing as a
01:49:28 this when he was 32 but posing as a 24-year-old married police officer Andy Kohl's started a sexual relationship with 19-year-old Jessica Jessica was vulnerable after a childhood blighted by personal tragedy she had never had a
01:49:41 tragedy she had never had a boyfriend Kohl's got to know Jessica by inviting himself around to her house shair and just hanging around he was uh on his own account unattractive he says that in his under
01:49:55 unattractive he says that in his under cover Persona he neglected his personal hygiene and wore unflattering clothing one night he lunged at Jessica while they were watching TV she was
01:50:06 while they were watching TV she was shocked but did not want to hurt his feelings her Youth and lack of confidence meant she found it easier to go along with a sexual relationship she did not really want than resist his advances the relationship lasted for a
01:50:22 advances the relationship lasted for a year it was lacking in affection on both sides for Co it seems to have been chiefly a source of regular extramarital sex with a
01:50:38 sex with a teenager when Jessica went to France for a period of time he went so far as to complain that her absence meant he should be able to see other people Jessica eventually ended the relationship when she gained the confidence to realize she did not have deep feelings for
01:50:49 deep feelings for CO's before during and after the relation relationship koh's reported on Jessica he has since risen to high ranks
01:51:03 Jessica he has since risen to high ranks within the police he went on to be AE of training for AKO and then Deputy police and crime
01:51:05 and crime commissioner he now denies the relationship he says instead that Jessica was obsessed with him and pursued him with sexual advances which he continuously
01:51:16 he continuously rebuffed the cat H cor participants submit that K's evidence is implausible and Jessica's is far to be
01:51:27 and Jessica's is far to be preferred they note also that another woman has given evidence that Kohl's lunged at her in a manner similar to the way in which he began his relationship with
01:51:36 with Jessica K's denial of his relationship with Jessica is not the only dishonest evidence he has given to this inquiry on the subject of sexual
01:51:48 the subject of sexual relationships Kohl's is the author of the tradecraft manual a dossier of advice for undercover officers which circulated for years within the SDS he wrote it at the request of
01:52:03 SDS he wrote it at the request of Lambert at the end of his deployment in 1995 in that manual Kohl's provided advice on sexual liazon in which he acknowledges that romantic and sexual
01:52:14 acknowledges that romantic and sexual relationships have occurred on numerous occasions before causing all sorts of
01:52:29 occasions before causing all sorts of difficulties consequently he states that to quote while you may try to avoid any sexual encounter there may come a time when your lack of Interest may become suspicious and you must make up your mind how to proceed in that situation he advises if you have no other option but to become involved with a weary you
01:52:40 to become involved with a weary you should try to have fleeting disastrous relationships with individuals who are not important to your sources of information CO's now says in his
01:52:53 information CO's now says in his statement to this inquiry that he was not suggesting In this passage that field officers should have a fleeting disastrous sexual relationship but a fleeting relationship that did not include a sexual
01:53:04 include a sexual relationship this suggestion is impossible to reconcile with the context of the paragraph and is obviously false equally false is the claim that the
01:53:16 equally false is the claim that the policy was really clear and I thought it was widely known that sexual relationships were not permitted the
01:53:33 relationships were not permitted the evidence of Lambert who commissioned the tradecraft manual and dmes who trained calls is to the opposite effect they both say sexual relationships were considered necessary in certain circumstances and permitted as for the claim that Kohl's only knew about one under other undercover officer having a sexual
01:53:47 undercover officer having a sexual relationship Mike chitty this claim is also impossible to reconcile with the text of the trade cart manual
01:53:54 Jessica discovered that Kohl's was a police officer in February 2017 since then her mental health has suffered enormously she has developed paranoia her relationship of 10 years
01:54:06 paranoia her relationship of 10 years ended a couple of months later it also made her relationship with her parents difficult while they were still alive it caused significant distress to her
01:54:17 caused significant distress to her father during the last years of his life
01:54:24 so there were a series of other undercover officers who had sexual relationships you have already heard evidence about 35-year-old Trevor Morris who was recruited by Lambert in his
01:54:35 who was recruited by Lambert in his undercover Persona as a 30-year-old DJ Bobby Lewis Morris went on to have two sexual relationships with be a young mother and Jenny he gave evidence that
01:54:49 mother and Jenny he gave evidence that these relationships were Justified for what he described as his alter ego he vigorously rejected the invitation to apologize for them and called the commissioner's apology outrageous there were more Mike chy had
01:55:04 outrageous there were more Mike chy had a relationship lasting nearly two years with Lizzie he says that it was impossible to be in the field and not to have a relationship and that SDS management would have known about officers having relationships in the
01:55:19 officers having relationships in the field he also had a relationship with at least one other woman another woman was was deceived into kissing and oral sex by hn12 cover Nam Mike Harley hn 67 cover name Alan
01:55:30 Nam Mike Harley hn 67 cover name Alan bond has admitted to a one night stand another officer has given evidence that h67 told him he had fathered a child h87 cover named John lipom has
01:55:44 child h87 cover named John lipom has also admitted to sexual activity with a woman while deployed hn 95 Stefan Scott is led to have had an affair with a
01:55:59 is led to have had an affair with a woman in the group he infiltrated and he has made an allegation that another UCO had had an affair while deployed it appears that there is also an allegation that a closed officer had a sexual relationship in this
01:56:16 a sexual relationship in this period these are just the relationships that are known about in short it is clear that between 1983 and 1992 police officers in the STDs were engaging in sexual relationships with women while Undercover on an endemic
01:56:34 women while Undercover on an endemic basis so the category H for participants consider that the evidence is crystal clear that the fact that these relationships were occurring was widely known by other undercover officers and by managers their denials of knowledge are not credible and should be
01:56:46 are not credible and should be rejected it is also clear that no one considered it necessary at the time to take any steps to stop these relationships this was not simply turning a blind eye although that would
01:57:02 turning a blind eye although that would have been bad enough the eyes were wide open and still nothing was done no consideration was given to protecting
01:57:13 consideration was given to protecting members of the public even when managers were informed that children were being born of these relationships women were treated as disposable objects their bodies and emotions derided laughed at and
01:57:26 emotions derided laughed at and disregarded the inexurable conclusion is that sexual relationships were considered part of the job and acceptable as long as there was no risk to the SDS and its operations the inquiry will hear from
01:57:40 operations the inquiry will hear from three detective Chief inspectors they were the most senior managers in the SDS DCI weight was in charge during the deployments of hm67 hn12 chitty and Lambert
01:57:53 hm67 hn12 chitty and Lambert he says he was informed by Lambert that a woman with whom he had been having an association was pregnant he was having an affair with a married woman in his undercover
01:58:10 undercover identity he says Lambert later suggested the child might not be his DCI wa was content with this reply he says and spoke about it with Lambert no more he also says I and the other SDS managers were against such such sexual
01:58:30 were against such such sexual relationships but were unable to enforce this as the officers operated on their own however I would describe the SDS Management's attitude to such relationships as one of acceptance they worked on their own and made their own decisions they were mostly married men and it was not generally a
01:58:45 and it was not generally a problem it is striking that despite DCI weight's admission that he was told about the relationship and the pregnancy by Lambert Lambert claimed claims only to have informed di Barber who is
01:58:58 to have informed di Barber who is dead DCI weight's evidence is thus significant in two ways first it means at least two managers knew that Lambert had impregnated a woman in his false
01:59:10 impregnated a woman in his false identity and that he had had a child it also means they did nothing about it they not only let him continue in the field but they allowed him to have further
01:59:19 further relationships they then permitted him to exit his deployment without Nei he or the SDS taking any responsibility for that child or indeed any further childrena it is not possible to
01:59:38 childrena it is not possible to overstate how reprehensible this conduct is on the part of all involved it was morally bankrupt and rooted in deep
01:59:49 morally bankrupt and rooted in deep misogyny it was also a breach of every contract which the police have with a society whose well-being they are supposed to be safeguarding the second significant aspect of this evidence is Lambert's failure to admit the conversation with DCI
02:00:00 the conversation with DCI waight this is an example of a consistent pattern in this inquiry in order to comply with the powerful internal code of backing up their fellow officers only those officers who are
02:00:12 officers only those officers who are either dead have admitted relationships themselves or are already damaged goods in some way are implicated in wrongdoing by other officers
02:00:26 by other officers in short SDS officers at all levels are giving dishonest evidence to the Inari because they are prioritizing the code of backing up over the public interest in discovering the truth DCI McLoud was in charge during
02:00:43 truth DCI McLoud was in charge during the deployments of chitty and Lambert he told operation her that refusing a sexual relationship might lead to an undercover officer's compromise he says an undercover officer's object was to get the intelligence not make
02:00:58 was to get the intelligence not make moral judgments in his operation Hearn statement he said in terms of relationships between a field officer and their compatriots within their target groups it is obvious that The Closer a field officer got to the key
02:01:11 Closer a field officer got to the key people the better the intelligence was likely to be there may be occasions where relationships formed with women within the group and sexual relationships followed this is not something a field officer would discuss
02:01:25 something a field officer would discuss with his supervising officers but it has to be accepted that such Leons will form although I was never aware of any sexual relationships between any of my
02:01:36 sexual relationships between any of my field officers and a weary it certainly wouldn't have surprised me if it had occurred the field officers all knew the boundaries and were left to use their common sense when deployed extra marital relations occur in all walks of life and
02:02:02 relations occur in all walks of life and the field officers are no exception I do not believe that we should be setting a moral code for one specific group of police officers to the exclusion of others this has to be a personal judgment by the officers in his evidence to this inquiry he tries to distance himself from these remarks and says the sexual
02:02:14 remarks and says the sexual relationships have left him shocked and angered and that it did not cross my mind that a close relationship might develop into a sexual relationship
02:02:27 ship DCI Docker was in charge during the deployments of Lambert hn 87 and D he says that he formed a vague suspicion that there was the potential for sexual relationships between
02:02:42 for sexual relationships between undercover officers and those with whom they interacted or associated in their undercover identities he denies being aware of any sexual relationships but he does accept that the mest hint of an affair would
02:02:53 that the mest hint of an affair would have become gossip in the male dominated environment of the SDS he does not accept he could have done anything differently to prevent
02:03:05 done anything differently to prevent sexual relationships for from occurring in fact he considers that challenging undercover officers would have undermined the trust that we as managers had to have in the uos he says the matter would not have been raised with undercover officers
02:03:21 been raised with undercover officers save that DCI weight might have said keep it in your pants
02:03:24 pants dn19 was second in command during the deployments of Lambert hn 87 and dies hn
02:03:40 deployments of Lambert hn 87 and dies hn 109 denies awareness or suspicion of any sexual relationships although it is clear from his evidence that he appreciated there was a risk in his operation sparkler interview he refers to the high standards of Intelligence being gained from horizontal
02:03:53 horizontal politics he now denies that this was a reference to sexual relationships the category H called participants do not accept that dci's
02:04:08 participants do not accept that dci's McLoud and Docker and Di hn 109 did not know about the sexual relationships happening on their watch the inquiry has also received evidence from five detective sergeants who staffed the back office of the SDS hn 45 says he was unaware of any
02:04:22 SDS hn 45 says he was unaware of any sexual activity while deployed there were no complaints or suspicions that were discussed in the office h32 says he
02:04:39 were discussed in the office h32 says he was unaware of any SDS officers having a sexual relationship in their undercover identity DS Hy says that when he first heard about sexual relationships undercover he was taken back and couldn't believe it in his first statement however he also said that a sexual relationship entered into for
02:04:52 sexual relationship entered into for seeking intelligence was a ball game to a sexual relationship because the undercover officite is attracted to that individual where it was based on attraction DS High did not think the relationship would need to be
02:05:06 relationship would need to be reported DS Carson says he learned about D's relationship with Miss steel subsequently denies any knowledge of Jessica's relationship with Kohl's and was surprised to learn of Trevor Morris's
02:05:16 Morris's relationships DS huin says he did not suspect sexual activity Undercover he says he only learned about D's
02:05:27 says he only learned about D's relationship with Helen steel from news reports sir the category H cor participants do not accept these denials of
02:05:36 of knowledge SDS undercover officers and detective sergeants had close relationships they all attended the safe house meetings where undercover officers met twice a week the sergeants must have been party to the constant stream of
02:05:48 been party to the constant stream of misogynous banter which took place at these meetings and they clearly read the officer's reporting which contained lewd and derogatory remarks about
02:06:01 and derogatory remarks about women consequently these denials are not plausible they are also not consistent with the evidence of undercover officers like dines who expressly say that back office knew of his
02:06:14 office knew of his relationship sexual relationships were common and were considered inevitable acceptable and useful in the SDS it is extremely unlikely that these sergeants
02:06:26 extremely unlikely that these sergeants knew nothing about what everyone else in the SDS knew they should start telling this inquiry the truth and they should do it
02:06:37 now sir the commissioner for the Metropolitan Police accepts that at least nine SDS undercover officers had sexual relationships of one sort or another with women between 1983 and 1992
02:06:50 another with women between 1983 and 1992 and we've heard that acceptance repeated this morning he accepts that these relationships were a gross violation of the women's dignity and human rights and he rejects the widespread denials of knowledge by SDS
02:07:05 knowledge by SDS managers finally he acknowledges that there was a culture of sexism and misogyny in the metropolitan police which manifested itself in as he put it again today the prevalence of sexual
02:07:17 again today the prevalence of sexual misconduct on the part of SDS officers in the Tron 2 period the general disregard for the person personal autonomy and dignity of the women affected together with the inaction or indifference of their managers in
02:07:32 indifference of their managers in response he apologizes on behalf of the Metropolitan Police the category H cor participants welcome these apologies and admissions they do not think it should have taken this long to make
02:07:53 them so the evidence about the way in which undercover officers behaved toward W the women they deceived into sex raises further difficult and uncomfortable questions these questions go beyond the misogyny and sexism of the
02:08:04 go beyond the misogyny and sexism of the police and the culpability of individual undercover officers and SDS managers it is essential in their view to address these questions if the inquiry is to fulfill its terms of
02:08:18 inquiry is to fulfill its terms of reference and understand the risks of long-term surveillance operations first while misogyny and sexism was a key cause of the willingness of undercover officers to deceive women
02:08:30 undercover officers to deceive women into sexual relationships and also of the manager's tolerance of this conduct this alone cannot explain the way in which the undercover officers behaved what happened to be Jenny
02:08:49 behaved what happened to be Jenny Belinda Helen Jessica and Denise and the other women who were deceived has a further Sinister and disturbing Dimension it is clear that when under
02:09:00 Dimension it is clear that when under cover officers felt themselves liberated from a wide range of ordinary moral codes and restraints which would normally govern their conduct with others they did not just tell lies which could be said to be necessary for their Legend and
02:09:14 Legend and deployment they indulged themselves in a wide range of fantasies apparently untrammeled by any sense of moral or ethical resp responsibilities towards other
02:09:24 other people given the chance to act out an imaginary character they also took the opportunity to play with the lives of those with whom they had sexual and other
02:09:35 other relationships they toyed with their victims feelings they often wielded the extraordinary power they were given with breathtaking cruelty or
02:09:49 breathtaking cruelty or recklessness some officers like Lamberts and dmes benit manipulated and groomed their victims belinder and Helen steel to secure their deep love they did this to enhance their cover and obtain
02:10:07 to enhance their cover and obtain intelligence they also seem to have done it for the sheer pleasure of sexual and emotional
02:10:09 emotional manipulation sir Lambert and dines used Helen steel to boost their careers with their claims of access to intelligence from what they said was a high value
02:10:28 from what they said was a high value Source they Justified their deployments with fabricated or embellished stories about her and dines lined his pocket with overtime climed at her expense she was for them the Golden Goose as we have heard already D has
02:10:39 Goose as we have heard already D has gone so far in evidence to this inquiry as to actually boast that he used Helen Steel's body and trashed her emotions purely to gather
02:10:52 purely to gather intelligence his Contin ing cruelty to her is deeply disturbing other undercover officers like Kohl's Rea and Trevor Morris developed techniques for exploiting vulnerable or very young
02:11:07 vulnerable or very young women their experiments with these women have left a trail of emotional Devastation which continues to reverberate up until the present
02:11:18 reverberate up until the present day so it should have been obvious that ordinary rules of conduct and ordinary vision would not have been sufficient to counteract the danger posed by deploying undercover officers longterm in
02:11:29 undercover officers longterm in communities they would not have been sufficient even if those ordinary rules had been clear and properly implemented which they weren't and even if the
02:11:42 which they weren't and even if the Metropolitan Police had not been doed by long-term misogyny and sexism fixing these problems is necessary but it is not enough that is because ordinary professional rules of
02:11:57 because ordinary professional rules of conduct and supervision supplement moral constraints and supervisory mechanisms which are already present in communities
02:12:10 which are already present in communities and families those underlying restraints provide a Baseline and family and Community Supervision provides a ready-made Safeguard police conduct codes and professional supervision operate on top the evidence shows that undercover
02:12:23 top the evidence shows that undercover deployment in alternative personi on the other hand had the effect of releasing officers from the moral constraints and supervision applied by their communities and families it thereby Unleashed a
02:12:37 and families it thereby Unleashed a range of dark behavior for which the men faced no real consequences it is true that they were protected by the SDS and enabled by misogyny both of which permitted and even encouraged men to behave in this
02:12:53 even encouraged men to behave in this way it is also true that with the eyes of their communities families and friends not on them they let their worst selves
02:13:03 selves out the category H cor participants have paid a heavy price the serious dangers inherent in the adoption of alternative identities
02:13:15 the adoption of alternative identities away from ordinary Community structures mean such long-term deployments are unlikely ever to be appropriate they certainly could never be justified in the context in which they were used by the
02:13:26 the SDS the responsibility for failing to recognize the danger lies not only with the SDS but also with higher echelons in
02:13:38 the SDS but also with higher echelons in the Metropolitan Police Service the home office and MI5 all of these institutions should have been aware that by permitting this
02:13:49 have been aware that by permitting this highly experimental form of surveillance they were also experimenting with the lives of the general public it is deeply concerning that they either were not aware or did not care enough to avoid
02:14:03 aware or did not care enough to avoid the obvious dangers they must now learn the lessons of what went wrong so it is clear they have not yet learned those lessons in his written opening statement published today and in his comments this morning the
02:14:15 his comments this morning the commissioner suggests that the SS's infiltration of what he describes as the milit aspects of the animal rights movement was justified but marred by the misconduct of its officers he also
02:14:33 misconduct of its officers he also suggests further justification comes from the evidence of witness y for Mi this is wrong it indicates the commissioner still does not appreciate the serious inherent risks involved in these kinds of long-term deployments such deployments are too
02:14:49 deployments such deployments are too intrusive and too dangerous ever to be justified in this kind of context
02:14:56 the second troubling matter raised by the evidence is the fact that it is clear that despite the commissioner's apology and and admission many undercover officers and managers
02:15:07 undercover officers and managers continue to conceal their own sexual misconduct or that of their colleagues to this day they feel little or no remorse or empathy for the category H core participants many of them persist like
02:15:23 participants many of them persist like Raina in regarding the STDs as the crown jewels of
02:15:24 jewels of policing they Reserve their strongest condemnation for certain individuals in the police who have as they put it besched the SDS with their disclosures about it more than a few are not
02:15:37 about it more than a few are not providing honest evidence to this inquiry as I've already stated the misogynist and sexist views of many undercover officers and managers which underlay the treat mistreatment of the
02:15:49 underlay the treat mistreatment of the category H core participant persist in the slurs and insults they make in their
02:16:00 the slurs and insults they make in their evidence to this inquiry which only adds further salt to the wounds of their women
02:16:04 women victims in addition the long-standing culture of backing up which requires police officers to cover up for each other even where there has been wrongdoing continues to take priority over the public
02:16:15 over the public interest the category H core participants consider that identifying
02:16:29 participants consider that identifying and eliminating this backing up culture must become a metropolitan police goal alongside the elimination of misogyny and
02:16:33 and sexism it is particularly important to do so for undercover work where the risks of abuse are so much higher than ordinary police work the police must be constantly reminded that they are here to serve the public interest not each
02:16:47 to serve the public interest not each other those who prioritize each other over the public interest should face the most serious
02:16:58 consequences thirdly the role of MI5 in soliciting and perpetuating the conduct of undercover officers which led to the abuse of women must be properly
02:17:09 abuse of women must be properly acknowledged MI5 were eager and appreciative consumers of SDS intelligence even though much of it was of minimal importance to National
02:17:22 of minimal importance to National Security they must have been aware of the tactics used their encouragement played no small part in causing undercover officers to believe that they were domestic James Bonds the fact that a fictional serial
02:17:40 Bonds the fact that a fictional serial womanizer and law breaker was seen as an inspiration for undercover officers in the SDS is plainly a matter of huge concern to the category H core participants they invite the inquiry and the Metropolitan Police to take all necessary steps to eliminate this harmful
02:17:55 harmful stereotype James Bond belongs in books and movies and only there in truth SDS officers with their newly grown beards and dressing up
02:18:07 newly grown beards and dressing up clothes were more like the 1970s cartoon character Mr Ben than James Bond there is no doubt though that many reveled in the perception that they were a secret and reliable source the idea that they
02:18:19 and reliable source the idea that they could like Mr Bond play fast and loose with both women and the rules seems to have been a powerful fantasy for more than one undercover
02:18:34 officer finally the category H core participants wish to highlight the profound trauma that the process of engaging with this with this inquiry has caused
02:18:45 caused them there was always going to be trauma in the need to read and respond to the evidence of the officers who abused them and to confront their abusers in hearings but this inevitable pain has
02:18:59 hearings but this inevitable pain has being compounded by the manner in which disclosure has been made to them with lengthy delays followed by extreme pressure to produce evidence in short time
02:19:09 time frames they have also been distressed by what has seemed to be disregard for their privacy concerns and disparities in the approach taken to police Witnesses strict rules prohibiting
02:19:22 Witnesses strict rules prohibiting Communications with each other have have meant that they have been unable at times to rely on each other for support they do not consider that a trauma-informed approach which
02:19:34 trauma-informed approach which recognizes their special need as victims for fairness and due process has been taken to their engagement with this inquiry they have suffered as a result they are disappointed that no panel member with relevant experience will be appointed to consider
02:19:49 appointed to consider recommendations they continue to hope that improvements can be made to the inquiry process which properly recognize their status as victims and Accord them the special care and respect which they
02:20:10 deserve thank you very much indeed uh I'm now going to move to the last of today's uh Mr scobby King's Council um thank you sir I appear along with Piers Marquis uh we only instructed
02:20:25 with Piers Marquis uh we only instructed by Paul Haron of the public interest Law Center we represent the campaign for nuclear arment and former leading member of the Socialist Workers Party Lindsey German we also represent Michael chant
02:20:43 German we also represent Michael chant of the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain Marxist lenis these are short submissions on the evidence of the managers and Security Services we've provided written submissions available on the PC website they are summarized
02:20:54 on the PC website they are summarized here so at the end of CH one you found that the infiltrations of both the S swp and
02:21:07 and rcpb ml were not justified in TR to the SDS themselves conceded the lack of justification for deployments into the rcpb ml by ending the the
02:21:25 rcpb ml by ending the the infiltration respect to the swp the Met police have focused on the events at Welling in 1993 we have extens submissions on the evidence around Welling which we will return to in chch three we asked to be allowed to develop wider submissions on
02:21:41 allowed to develop wider submissions on both organizations the close of tranch 2 our Focus now is on CN partly because the deployments into
02:21:56 CN partly because the deployments into the peace movement started and ended the tranch 2 period and partly because both the M police and the security services have sought to argue justifications for the infiltration of CND those justifications are not supported by the evidence there is silence as to a who
02:22:16 evidence there is silence as to a who authorized the infiltrations and B what the highly personal in intrusive reporting was useful Security Services witness y weakly asserted that a CND was assessed to have been infiltrated at a
02:22:27 assessed to have been infiltrated at a national level by by Communists and B it took until 1985 for MI5 to work out this was no longer true that is contrary to the evidence
02:22:43 true that is contrary to the evidence even in the 1970s when Communist party members had occupied eight of the 15 seats on cnd's National Council m 5 had not required SDS Intelligence on
02:22:57 not required SDS Intelligence on CND those days were long over when John Kerry was
02:22:59 Kerry was deployed in February 1982 the SDS assessment was that Communist party influence had waned quite dramatically there was no foreseeable likelihood of trotsky's influence
02:23:19 likelihood of trotsky's influence growing in particular on the National Council MI5 reviewed and agreed with that assessment witness why conceded in line with Kathy M's account that MI5 did not consider CND to be a subversive organization they do not explain why
02:23:34 organization they do not explain why they continued to encourage reporting on individuals they knew were not subversive MI5 was silent on the ethical implications of encouraging long-term
02:23:47 implications of encouraging long-term undercover deployments against political activists and and campaigners Witness why recognizes the weakness of mi5's justification yet rather than conceded the Security
02:24:02 rather than conceded the Security Services adopt a revisionist approach implying that spying on the peace movement was more acceptable then than it would be now Lord Danning said in
02:24:15 it would be now Lord Danning said in 1963 for most people it would have been intolerable to us to have anything in the nature of Garo or secret police to de into all that we do it would have been considered an unacceptable intrusion a waste of
02:24:29 unacceptable intrusion a waste of resources and an Greedious example of State interference in the Democratic process MI5 cannot pretend that things were different then they were not the
02:24:43 were different then they were not the proof is in the wide public denunciation of the investigation to madin heg and the widespread public anger to the Kathy Mass revelation it is in the instigation of the home Affairs select committee inquiry into
02:24:55 Affairs select committee inquiry into the activity of special branch in 1984 the most damning proof is the security
02:25:08 the most damning proof is the security services own collusion in deceiving the public by stating they in the special Branch did not cover law abiding nonviolent activities like CND activities they plainly did SDS managers the senior police officers in charge of the SDS between 1981 and 86
02:25:20 the SDS between 1981 and 86 have not persisted the inquiry most of the officers who manag DND deployments have passed away the documents associated with their periods as
02:25:37 associated with their periods as managers disclosed by the Met police and security services are silent as to both justification and authorization detective inspector Trevor Butler actively denied dealing with any officer reporting on CND despite the
02:25:48 officer reporting on CND despite the clear evidence that he signed off many of John K's early reports Eric Docker the SDS detector inspector at the end of Tim Spence's deployment does not know what the
02:26:01 deployment does not know what the justification was all he can offer is that CND
02:26:02 that CND deployments quote would have given us Intelligence on likely numbers and aims of particular demonstrations even the commissioner's
02:26:14 demonstrations even the commissioner's annual report from 1983 emphasizes the peaceful and orderly nature of CND demonstrations so that explanation does not assist at all Chief Inspector
02:26:28 not assist at all Chief Inspector Malcolm McLoud was skeptical about the Civil Disobedience rationale that he himself noted in the 1986 annual SDS report his firm position now is that the infiltration was not
02:26:41 infiltration was not justified in the documents from his time as a manager he referred to CMD targeting decisions coming from his from his
02:26:47 his Masters those Masters were really not MI5 CU that is who he was speaking to
02:26:58 MI5 CU that is who he was speaking to when he used the term a safe assumption is that his Masters were Chief superintendent and above with the Met police the only Chief superintendent this inquiry has heard from is Jeff
02:27:15 this inquiry has heard from is Jeff craft who claims to remember nothing at all McLoud claims that he cannot now remember who he was referring to in respect of CND whoever was pulling the strings was bypassing MI5 attorney Wade is a key manager the first8 months of
02:27:31 is a key manager the first8 months of his posting as SDS Chief Inspector he managed John Cary lead bonson and Timothy Spence documents from his time gives some indication of the Authority for the targeting in July 1984 when
02:27:45 for the targeting in July 1984 when weight was new to the role MI5 visited the SDS offices unusually the S Squad Chief superintendent Ray Tucker was also there he'd recently taken over the command of escort from Jeff craft in the
02:28:01 command of escort from Jeff craft in the meeting W said that in his view three CN sources was too much at the time John Carrey was attending CND London Council meetings and had access the London
02:28:13 meetings and had access the London regional office the security service were concerned that his forthcoming withdrawal would leave a considerable Gap and it would take some time before
02:28:27 Gap and it would take some time before Spence could fill it both MI5 and Tucker questioned whether it was necessary to end John Ker's deployment the upper
02:28:39 end John Ker's deployment the upper echelons a special Branch wanted to keep CND infiltrated by November 8 1984 when it was clear that Ker's deployment was over MI5 requested that Spence be directed against the the S WP rather than
02:28:48 than CNB there was a strong precedent for doing exactly that a Chief Inspector W admits that most SDS deployments were in agreement with MI5
02:29:02 with MI5 B wait admits that it was always our end to deploy additional officers into the swp C this SDS had not met mi5's request to have an office infiltrate swph HQ
02:29:16 to have an office infiltrate swph HQ since the departure of Phil Cooper D at that time the SDS only had one officer infiltrating the WP and E that officer Alan Bond was not moving to the brickton branch as he' been told to do despite
02:29:36 branch as he' been told to do despite all of this weit refused the MI5 request and was set on making Timothy Spence John Ker's successor in CND once again the Masters whoever they
02:29:48 CND once again the Masters whoever they were were bypassing MI5 on CND targeting two months later in January 198 8 5 the SDS were wavering on whether to continue CND deployments in the light of the Parliamentary select committee and surprisingly with the
02:30:03 committee and surprisingly with the committee's focus on CND in the danger uh of special Branch acquiring a Sinister reputation for persecuting harmless citizens for political reasons nevertheless the deployments continued wait claimed not be able to Recall why
02:30:16 wait claimed not be able to Recall why he refused mi5's wish to to task Spence into the s swp and instead continued the targeting of CND he claims not to recall anything about the select committee
02:30:29 anything about the select committee proceedings or having any discussion with senior special Branch management
02:30:40 with senior special Branch management about the justification for infiltrating CND he makes no mention at all of Kathy Masa he was in role at the time of her Revelations and he was aware that as a matter of general practice security service desk officers knew who SDS
02:30:55 service desk officers knew who SDS officers were if it affected their desk the 1985 annual report he acknowledged that the Masset disclosures were a breach of SDS security he recognized that a failure in security would would give rise to a possibility of
02:31:06 give rise to a possibility of embarrassment not just for the commissioner which is the standard manager line but for the government of
02:31:21 manager line but for the government of the time wait's failure to even mention Kathy m in his statement is sash along with Chief superintendent craft and every other senior special Branch officer with knowledge of the CND infiltrations attorney W will remember mine hay and the select commission inquiry very well indeed V branches
02:31:37 inquiry very well indeed V branches Panic around the cath Master Revelations would be Unforgettable weight's retrospective justification of the CNG
02:31:49 retrospective justification of the CNG infiltrations is weak he cannot give a single example of contribution to policing public order his second justification was that quote CND was targeted because they had the potential for subversion alongside his own definition of subversion that amounts to
02:32:05 definition of subversion that amounts to the potential for a desire to change the natural order of things that encapsulates FAL Branch's approach that they could spy on whoever
02:32:16 approach that they could spy on whoever they wish to as long as they didn't get caught on the issues of justification and authorization yes s managers have provided no assistance to this inquiry at all equally the disclosure provided
02:32:28 at all equally the disclosure provided by the Metropolitan Police has provided similarly no assistance the Metropolitan Police Commissioner the Metropolitan Police submit that the deployment of undercover officers into CND and Lamberth women for
02:32:43 officers into CND and Lamberth women for peace was justifiable on two grounds one conern that CND could be infiltrated by communist groups in the KGB to a US Air Force Commander written view that
02:33:00 Force Commander written view that increased aggressiveness and adventurism around the US B US Air bases could lead to protesters being shot the first submission is unsustainable it doesn't explain the sudden interest in CND at exactly the time that Communist party influence was
02:33:12 time that Communist party influence was widely reported to decline the reference to the K to the KGB shows a remarkable lack of political understanding inquiry
02:33:23 lack of political understanding inquiry has itself acknowledged that engagement for affiliation with the Soviet Union would have been anatha to the groups infiltrated by the SDS as far as their second submission exhibiting correspondence between the US Air Force and the ministry of Defense
02:33:37 Air Force and the ministry of Defense does not provide an evidential basis for a retrospective submission on that justification it appears in an evidential void not least because the police new police witness has ever
02:33:48 police new police witness has ever mentioned it in the letter to the home office attached to the 1984 report assistant commissioner Johnn Del refers to briefings to provincial Chief cbles and Ministry of Defense police tasked
02:34:01 and Ministry of Defense police tasked with securing military installations in their
02:34:02 their area there is no reference to any SDS report in either the sections on green and common or CND or the reports of carry and bonser there is nothing to
02:34:13 carry and bonser there is nothing to suggest on the SS's own material that the intelligence originated from the SDS officers ra rather than another source the inquiry cannot assess the value of
02:34:26 the inquiry cannot assess the value of any such briefings or whether any of the intelligence was sourced from car or bonser without having cited them if the commissioner wishes to provide an evidential basis to their submissions the Met police should look to their own
02:34:40 the Met police should look to their own documents and then disclose them the US Air Force's proposed solution to protester incursions was an increase in RAF security and guard dog patrols at the bases at no the US Air Force suggests sending
02:34:53 the US Air Force suggests sending undercover police officers into the homes of law abided citizens the commissioner submits that the mpsb was obliged to monitor U CND uh linking that obligation to
02:35:06 CND uh linking that obligation to significant government and Military interests in the 1980s that is the firmest indicator yet of where the authorization for the cndd deployments came from government targeting the focus of the inquiries
02:35:18 targeting the focus of the inquiries investigations on government to dat has been the home office there is disclosure that suggests a riff between the Met police and the home office early 1983
02:35:30 police and the home office early 1983 the timing of that Rift coincides with the recruitment of both bonsor and Spence the 24th of January 1983 the npsb finalized a report titled political extremism and the campaign for police
02:35:46 extremism and the campaign for police accountability in The NPS district there is detailed analysis of the report in the trch one closing statement of celus stubs the report focused on the labor control of GLC and local Authority
02:35:59 control of GLC and local Authority groups and their efforts to hold the police accountable for their actions outside of London police forces were were accountable under the police act 1964 to a committee drawn from the
02:36:10 act 1964 to a committee drawn from the community that they police and the Met Police District the statutory provision
02:36:21 Police District the statutory provision for accountability was different and no commit drawn from any community in the district had the right to receive a report from the Met police or make a requirement of it historically local councilors had voiced their concerns and objections to to this state of affairs
02:36:36 objections to to this state of affairs the GLC had gone further and established a police committee and launched a campaign for accountability in the Met police report suggested this was an undisguised attempts to cure ultimate control of the Metropolitan
02:36:48 control of the Metropolitan Police so Branch followed the campaign in detail from the outset and collected a massive information about the
02:37:00 a massive information about the personalities and groups involved least some of the intelligence came from the SDS the report listed civil rights groups members of parliament councilors law centers and Bank Account Details many of those named have gone on to have successful political and legal careers
02:37:13 successful political and legal careers the police accountability group shared similarities with CND There were single issue campaigns with broad church support and policies backed by the layer party of the time they opposed no
02:37:27 party of the time they opposed no legitimate public order or subversion concerns the report was politically partisan an attempt to undermine the efforts of a de democratically elected Council to hold the police to account
02:37:38 Council to hold the police to account poppies went to the most senior police offices and the security service on the 27th of January 1983 a copy was sent to the home office Commander Wilson described it as a most comprehensive
02:37:53 described it as a most comprehensive report Deputy assistant commissioner hu called it important and sent copies to other senior officers so they could use it when dealing with and ping police accountability groups the assistant commissioner on behalf of the
02:38:04 commissioner on behalf of the commissioner referred to as an excellent piece of work the response from the home
02:38:16 piece of work the response from the home office was not so complimentary s Hayden Phillips and Sir Brian cubin discussed the report and contacted H to convey their quote very serious concern the breadth and tone of a market for that report he expressed his thanks the
02:38:34 report he expressed his thanks the matter was not being raised formally and undertook to reflect on what the home office said he replied on the 4th of March
02:38:37 March 1983 I quote we are dealing here with a broader concept of public order intelligence and on this particular aspect I probably gone as far as this special Branch should go there was nothing in the report that could be said
02:38:48 nothing in the report that could be said to relate to public order response gives insight into just how far the Met police felt they could push the ultimate defense line of jamming any activity into a public order
02:39:02 into a public order justification the home office saw that the response did not stand up to examination and believe the police did too ayen Phillips described H's reference to a broader concept of public order intelligence as meaningless as
02:39:15 order intelligence as meaningless as expressed and dangerous in application Phillips told the inquiry mpsb had gone too far and looking into legitimate political activity which was not
02:39:27 political activity which was not subversive it was in breach of the 1970 special Branch terms of reference later in March 1983 the commander of special
02:39:38 in March 1983 the commander of special Branch wrote to the chief superintendent C Squad jerck Neil and tasked him to continue the most senior Metropolitan Police and special Branch officers had decided one first they could use special Branch resources including the SDS to
02:39:54 Branch resources including the SDS to resist lawful attempts by Democratic El elected Council to make the police accountable to the community they were supposed to be serving as an afterthought the implausible ultimate defense line of a public order
02:40:05 defense line of a public order justification was added secondly they could do so despite having been told by the home office that they could not and
02:40:16 the home office that they could not and having said v h that they would not this was a willful assault on democratic activity acting Beyond police Powers with knowingly unsustainable justification in direct contention or an
02:40:31 justification in direct contention or an order from a government Ministry the Met police were intent on maintaining their own power they would not have acted in this manner unless they were confident of support and from an authority higher than the home office there is evidence
02:40:43 than the home office there is evidence that in February and March 1983 the Matt special Branch were engaging directly with the highest levels of government Margaret Thatcher made a direct and specific requests of the police in respect of Intelligence on the peace
02:41:01 respect of Intelligence on the peace movement that led to the requirement of Lee bonser uh by Neil marol McLoud indicated that as the SDF Chief Inspector he would not be surprised if the Prime Minister had a role in Bon's tasking because I quote the whole thing
02:41:22 tasking because I quote the whole thing became very politicized whilst Huck was writing his informal response to home office concerns bonser was recruited vetted and deployed Spence was also recruited into CND and police accountability groups both sponsoring bonser and Spence have refused to come to this inquiry and elaborate on that
02:41:34 to this inquiry and elaborate on that evidence National Archive releases from January to8 1983 demonstrate that the government was preoccupied with losing the battle of public opinion with cndd over disarmed the prime minister's office was concerned by the apparent
02:41:49 office was concerned by the apparent success being enjoyed by CND and intent on devising ways of neutralizing CN publicity on the 31st of January 1983 the Prime Minister formed the ministerial group on nuclear policy and public opinion and the special unit was
02:42:01 public opinion and the special unit was to set up to devote full-time attention
02:42:13 to set up to devote full-time attention to Media issues and think imaginatively about them the group included the sect in defense Michel Hine includ Robert Armstrong who signed the 1976 1977 authorization for the SS's continued existence Armstrong has recently been accused of extraordinary perjury by the
02:42:27 accused of extraordinary perjury by the former Australian prime minister Malcolm tble uh in respect to evidence he gave in 1986 when he denied the government's use of the author Chapman pincher to manipulate a media narrative in March 1983 the ministry of Defense commenced
02:42:42 1983 the ministry of Defense commenced the ds19 propaganda unit which launched a campaign against CND the 28 CND members named in the conservative press as communist sympathizes MI5 had
02:42:55 as communist sympathizes MI5 had supplied ds19 with information on only s John carry had reported on 27 of 28 astiz letter and speech on the 22nd of April 1983 referencing The Narrative the Press campaign and the calculated
02:43:08 Press campaign and the calculated political professionalism of full-time socialist and communist have been discussed in the ministerial group on nuclear policy and public opinion in the week before in the same meeting the group were discussed and welcomed an
02:43:19 group were discussed and welcomed an offer of help from gra pin from Chapman
02:43:29 offer of help from gra pin from Chapman pincher when MI5 let the government down by limiting their cooperation on party political issues that laid the ground for the Met police by passing of MI5 the earliest SDS report on CND in 1982 highlighted the organization's spectacular growth and membership also
02:43:43 spectacular growth and membership also made clear that the feel of activity of cnb's national and Regional activities was quote aimed at swearing large bodies of influential opinion including trade unions the media Church groups and
02:43:54 unions the media Church groups and politicians swaying opinion is the function of any campaign the state's concern was that CND campaigned against government policy and was very good at it both car and Spence were targeted
02:44:07 it both car and Spence were targeted into the London CND Council the most significant of those Regional opinion SW swaying Executives on any objective evaluation they reporting was far more
02:44:19 evaluation they reporting was far more useful for countering camp aing than it was for securing military installation installations the concern around public opinion was replicated in the 1984 SDS annual report the purpose of those
02:44:31 annual report the purpose of those reports was to update the most senior metropolitan police offices and the home office on the groups infiltrated the intelligence gathered and the threats said to be posed the focus of the
02:44:42 said to be posed the focus of the section on ncnd was not on public dis order or subversion was on a membership
02:45:00 order or subversion was on a membership numbers B the political position noting the labor party's official espousal of unal nuclear and see in wait's words that CND has skillfully manipulated public opinion over issues about which people are genuinely concerned wa says I cannot now remember how I drew the distinction between CND
02:45:14 how I drew the distinction between CND campaigning to attract support for its cause and thereby bringing to public attention spe specific areas of concern and a group skillfully manipulating public opinion the word skillfully manipulated does not distinguish cnd's
02:45:27 manipulated does not distinguish cnd's campaigning from any other campaigning the inclusion of these words emphasized the Met police and their masters considered that cn's campaigning had to be countered the inclusion of those
02:45:41 be countered the inclusion of those words in the annual an annual report confirms that countering that campaigning was part of the SDS remit disclosure the SS managers the
02:45:52 remit disclosure the SS managers the security services and the Met police have not assisted this inquiry with answers to the critical questions of a why CND was infiltrated B who authorized or C task those infiltrations and D the
02:46:07 or C task those infiltrations and D the use to which that the reporting was put in relation to Kathy masser the the security services disclosed one document and have insisted that further
02:46:20 and have insisted that further investigation would not be proportionate wul inadequate on issu such importance in respect of the M Police Chief Inspector McLoud has referred to a high level special Branch director there to all files on CND being destroyed while
02:46:32 all files on CND being destroyed while there may have been some justification on the basis of the home office guidelines for destroying files on the individuals there can be no
02:46:43 individuals there can be no justification destru the destruction of files on policy the Asar authorization and justification Witnesses witness Zed's evidence was that the pressure to investigate these organization organizations often came from the Prime Minister and white H we asked the
02:46:55 Minister and white H we asked the inquiry to focus the charge to module 2C inquiries and disclosure on not only the home office but also on the engagement
02:47:06 home office but also on the engagement between the Met police and the ministry of Defense the cabinet office and the prime minister's office those inquiries should not be limited the engagement in respect to CND but should Encompass The Wider Target base of the SDS there's
02:47:19 Wider Target base of the SDS there's only one influence that can properly be drawn from the lack of Engagement by the state in the words of Chief Inspector wait the Press would have made hay of the fact of us doing this despite not
02:47:39 the fact of us doing this despite not being a police state conclusions CND had affiliations from thousands of civil organizations it organized in universities and through the churches in are hundreds of thousands of members in local branches and National CND was a mass Democratic movement of
02:47:56 CND was a mass Democratic movement of ordinary people but like governments per and since the fer government was
02:48:07 and since the fer government was terrified of two things first a mass movement of people and secondly democracy
02:48:15 democracy itself so those are our oisss thank you we will now um adjourn until tomorrow when we will begin at 10: with um Mr wood Council speaking on behalf of a dozen uh individual core participants